I ask to be tortured Jeeva Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:05 pm
Re: I ask to be tortured/Zimmermann Eric Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:17 pm
Re: I ask to be tortured/Zimmermann Eric Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:05 pm
stopping the mind does not stop the ego but grows a spiritual one OZAY Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:42 pm
Re: SHAKE, SHAKE YOUR BOOTY - OOPS BUDDHA - FESS UP BELOW Jeeva Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:22 am
Re: I ask to be tortured Jeeva Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:18 am
Re: Our minds have been pampered Alton Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:03 am
Re: I ask to be tortured Jeeva Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:23 pm
Good night Jeeva Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:23 am
Re: Our minds have been pampered Alton Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:01 am
Re: KABBY ZIMMY MICKEY Jeeva Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:05 am
Re: KABBY ZIMMY MICKEY Jeeva Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:40 am
Re: I ask to be tortured Jeeva Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:37 pm
Our minds have been pampered Alton Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:03 am
Re: SHAKE, SHAKE YOUR BOOTY - OOPS BUDDHA - FESS UP BELOW CMD Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:32 am
Re: I ask to be tortured Jeeva Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:17 am
Re: Our souls have been plundered Alton Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:41 pm
Re: I ask to be tortured Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:16 pm
Re: -maybe this should titled the N0by / G, chronicles #2 n0by Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:58 pm
Re: SHAKE, SHAKE YOUR BOOTY - OOPS BUDDHA - FESS UP BELOW CMD Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:38 pm
Re: Enlightenment Test for Kabir :-) / n0by and his mates. Hans Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:16 am
Re: Enlightenment Test for Kabir :-) Eric Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:56 am
Re: A Present For Jeeva Jeeva Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:19 pm
Re: The Three Diseases ... !!! Bhikkhu Samahita Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:54 am
Re: Enlightenment Test for Kabir :-) U.G. Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:28 pm
A Present for Jeeva Jeeva Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:15 pm
Re: Prakki's Datta swami's butthead Eric Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:23 pm
Re: Enlightenment Test for Kabir :-) Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:27 pm
Re: World of Brotherly Love James Wyly Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:43 pm
Re: Hi Jeeva Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:13 pm
Re: Hi Hans Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:27 pm
Re: Hi Jeeva Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:25 pm
Re: Hi Tejasvi Surya from India. Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:49 pm
Re: Be Still And Know That You Are On Moderation Zora Ma Prem Kumari Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:33 pm
Kabir's Minority Report Zora Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:15 pm
Re: Be Still And Know That You Are On Moderation Ali Prem Sw. Suviro Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:30 pm
Be Still And Know That You Are On Moderation Zora Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:47 am
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not. not. not. not. thank you. yes. no excuse me. you lout. Hans Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:12 pm
Re: A grain of explanation to Kabir: not, not,not, not. thank you Hans Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:31 am
Re: A grain of explanation to Kabir Zora Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:15 am
Hi N0by, how are you doing? n0by Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:59 pm
Re: A grain of explanation to Kabir DarmischIvan Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:36 pm
Hi noby Ozays says thanks to you OZAY Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:00 am
Re: Hi Ozays Kabir says thanks to you, too OZAY Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:14 am
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Re: Pimp my Twinkle twinkleStarBeams Sun Feb 5, 2006 5:23 pm
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Re: "...Out of nowhere..this cloudburst" / inburst Hans Sun Feb 5, 2006 11:57 am
Re: [°-:)] God Bless The Fire Dog, An Alchemical Process Dufus Wahoo Sun Feb 5, 2006 10:35 am
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Re: [°-:)] message 25202 Ali Suviro Sat Feb 4, 2006 6:10 pm
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Re: [°-:)] God Bless The Fire Dog, An Alchemical Process Bob Sat Feb 4, 2006 4:40 pm
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Re: [°-:)] Re: The words of Master Ivan about Gurdjieff / who are they? Hans Sat Feb 4, 2006 12:35 pm
Re: homosexuality or heterosexuality --> it is all the same neurosis James Wyly Sat Feb 4, 2006 7:05 am
Re: [°-:)] Under command of Rasa? --> What can "degenerates" and "rejects" admit to? James Wyly Sat Feb 4, 2006 5:18 am
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Re: [°-:)] Do we have a new worm? James Wyly Sat Feb 4, 2006 4:06 am
Do we have a new worm? James Wyly Sat Feb 4, 2006 3:56 am
Where have all the masters gone ... Damarjian Fri Feb 3, 2006 11:06 pm
Re: [°-:)] Enlightened Detective - JEEVA 007 :-))) Jeeva Fri Feb 3, 2006 9:11 pm
Are you still blocking any? E.M.I.L. (ENLIGHTENED MASTER IDIOT LIKE YOU) Fri Feb 3, 2006 6:51 pm
Re: [°-:)] Re: U.G. and Osho Veet Tom Fri Feb 3, 2006 5:23 pm
Re: Regarding Virus prevention Jeeva Fri Feb 3, 2006 9:53 am
nOby, you sound like Rasa n0by Fri Feb 3, 2006 7:36 am
Re: U.G. and Osho Veet Tom Fri Feb 3, 2006 7:25 am
U.G. - Analysis? Fri Feb 3, 2006 6:44 am
Re: The Gaze And The Path Anna Ruiz Fri Feb 3, 2006 12:02 am
Re: Fwd: Your subscription to n0by has been changed / WHAT, again???? Virus-Attack Thu Feb 2, 2006 11:53 pm
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Re: Fwd: Your subscription to n0by has been changed / WHAT, again???? Hans Thu Feb 2, 2006 12:04 am
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100 Percent worms in the group Wed Feb 1, 2006 5:31 pm
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[°-:)] [°-:)] Re: Veet's Enlightenment Denial Anna Ruiz Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:10 am
[°-:)] [°-:)] Re: Veet's Enlightenment Denial Hans Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:59 am
[°-:)] Re: WHAT IS THE SHAKTI?( To Kabir) Anna Ruiz Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:21 pm
[°-:)] Re: Veet's Enlightenment Denial Anna Ruiz Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:43 pm
Re: Veet's Enlightenment Denial Veet Tom Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:46 pm
Re: NOBY FOOLS WANT POWER, HATE ME FOR HAVING IT RASA VAN WERDEN Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:30 pm
Re: Beautiful Yonis_ ore _ Veet's Porno Veet Tom Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:33 pm
Re: WHAT IS THE SHAKTI?( To Kabir) Jeeva Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:57 pm
Fuck Rasa and her gang. Ali Sw. Prem Suviro´ Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:11 pm
[°-:)] [°-:)] Re: WHAT IS THE SHAKTI? Anna Ruiz Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:18 am
Re: WHAT IS THE SHAKTI?( To Kabir) Jeeva Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:45 am
[°-:)] Re: WHAT IS THE SHAKTI? Anna Ruiz Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:43 am
Re: WHAT IS THE SHAKTI? Zora Ma Prem Kumari Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:36 am
Re: WHAT IS THE SHAKTI? RASA VAN WERDEN Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:46 pm
Any1 has an old tamagochi for Tom - new brain needed. Veet Tom Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:49 pm
Re: Dear Dying Kabir ;-) Jeeva Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:09 am
Hi Ana, need some NEW VIRII ? Valerie Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:49 am
Re: [°-:)] YOUR GRACIOUS HIGHNESS PRINCE LUBOVEDSKY - - - Jeeva Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:19 pm
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Re: Mines a Peps Graeme Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:24 pm
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Re: [°-:)] Veet Deer, be quick Beloved Paddy Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:43 pm
[°-:)] [°-:)] Re: [°-:)] Share your views nandagirikishore to Jeeva Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:40 pm
Be quick to answer: Beloved Paddy Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:33 pm
The Purpose of a Bhikkhu is to count? Bhikku Samahita Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:30 pm
For me a Coke with some Baccardi and a slice of lime, if you please. Graeme Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:05 am
Re: Gurus, Coca Cola and Sex - or vice versa Graeme Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:56 am
So you like to be humiliated? Dufuss Wahoo Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:59 am
Re: [°-:)] Share your views Jeeva Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:59 am
Gurus, Coca Cola and Sex - or vice versa Jeeva Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:24 pm
[°-:)] Re: Share your views Anna Ruiz Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:48 pm
[°-:)] Re: ANSWERS TO NOBY LETTERS ON SITE Jeeva Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:51 am
Re: Share your views Jeeva Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:48 am
[°-:)] Re: ANSWERS TO NOBY LETTERS ON SITE Dufuss Wahoo Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:38 am
[°-:)] Re: Gratitude as the Master Key Valerie Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:19 pm
Re: ANSWERS TO NOBY LETTERS ON SITE RASA VAN WERDEN Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:19 pm
Re: Gratitude as the Master Key zzzStephen Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:28 am
Re: Respect to you, Kabir ! Veet Tom Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:19 am
Re: Kabir helps Sri Datta Swami Zora Ma Prem Kumari Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:19 am
Re: DEAR MR. NOBY, RASA VON WERDEN Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:29 am
Re: [°-:)] Does the Lord require help of human beings in His work? prakki surya Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:58 am
[°-:)] Re: Does the Lord require help of human beings in His work? Beloved Paddy Mon Jan 9, 2006 11:52 am
Re: Kabir's Krishnamurti Koan Mon Jan 9, 2006 6:41 am
Re: Onboard Editor & Kabir ... / Hans, n0by, all ... Veet Tom Mon Jan 9, 2006 6:26 am
Re: Does the Lord require help of human beings in His work? His Holiness Shri Datta Swami, Mon Jan 9, 2006 5:48 am
Re: Spirituality is an abscess of the ego Veet Tom Sat Jan 7, 2006 4:44 pm
[°-:)] Re: [°-:)] Zazen! Beloved Paddy Sat Jan 7, 2006 3:32 pm
Hi zenmoon, two questions which are essentially the same Zenmoon Sat Jan 7, 2006 11:26 am
Re: Karl for Kabir Veet Tom Sat Jan 7, 2006 4:52 am
Re: Spirituality is an abscess of the ego Veet Tom Sat Jan 7, 2006 4:36 am
Spirituality is an abscess of the ego. Veet Tom Sat Jan 7, 2006 12:24 am
Re: Karl (für deutsche n0byisten und für Kabir) Veet Tom Fri Jan 6, 2006 11:53 pm
[°-:)] Re: Enlightenmment (Beyond pseudo- Kabir) Valerie Fri Jan 6, 2006 11:43 pm
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[°-:)] Re: journey Valerie Fri Jan 6, 2006 5:55 pm
Re: GREETINGS with Love Fri Jan 6, 2006 5:23 pm
Re: Detached, Alien and Remote ... !!! Fri Jan 6, 2006 5:19 pm
Re: journey Valerie Fri Jan 6, 2006 5:17 pm
Re: Enlightenmment (for Valerie) Valerie Fri Jan 6, 2006 5:05 pm
Re: Bringing happiness Caminamos Fri Jan 6, 2006 3:55 pm
Re: Invitation to winter-sunset and Stockholm (to Kabir) n0by Fri Jan 6, 2006 3:51 pm
Re: [°-:)] Happy New Year to nobody Zora Ma Prem Kumari Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:15 am
Re: Happiness for nobody Ali Sw. Prem Suviro Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:18 pm
Message #30394 of 31751
Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:05 pm
--- "dhyaan_prabha" <dhyaan_prabha@...> wrote:
> No. I am not interested in how states are named.
Then look at what you did.
> However I need to differentiate it.even I could
> have used some colours or symbols.It is not a matter
> at all.
Then call it "symbolizing". What's the point in denying
what you dow when the term "naming" is used und the next
moment cinfirm, that you are interested to symbolize everything?
What's the point? Whom do you want to delude?
What do you want to learn about anything and anyone,
if you don't look at yourself first? And look without
the permanent urge to sanctify yourself?
Re: I ask to be tortured/Zimmermann
--- "Eric Paroissien" <ericparoissien@...> wrote:
> Many things you say are sound and come from the heart Zimmermann,
> this one above is half way true:
No, Eric, for my state it was 100% true, when and as and how
it was spoken to Jeeva.
If it's less than 100% true for you, this is, because I did
not write it to you.
> the "spirituality" object does not have a special status that would
> paralyse or vivify the "minds" that come in contact with it.
> The "striving for" has more juice into its shell than say, "base
> consciousness" or "liberation from ego".
> In the absence of teachers and spirituality people would suffer all
> the same and know all the same that this object, this burden that
> spoils the fun of every instant, can be rid of, even if only the
> concept of "getting rid of" exists; and this very existence, the
> ability to express a "perfected goal", contains any realization...
> in the absence of spirituality even.
The above was not directed to me for my feeling; it is just
objective, anything subjective is not there for me - except
perhaps, that you adress me.
Eric, I am interested in subjective truths. All these so
called onjective truths, even the so called "reality" most
people interact in is becoming more and more a movie-like
thing - nothing with much substance in it.
Michael
Mon Nov 20, 2006 3:17 pm
Re: I ask to be tortured/Zimmermann
--- "Eric Paroissien" <ericparoissien@...> wrote:
> Michael, i cannot know when you feel and if it has relevance in
> communication with you or if this feeling has to do with a remnant
> of self-image that would for example require care and maintenance,
> only you can see, only you can provide.
The "feeling", I am speaking about (sometimes and now), cannot
be known the way we are used to "know". This "feeling" can only
be known by experience, and for a male in our culture it's extremely
difficult, arduous and painful only to recognize the absense of that
feeling.
But after one is used to that feeling again, it is spontanuous
to recognize that another person has the same contact to the
realms of feeling or is missing it.
So please take into account (as a theoretical possibility at least),
that other people live in other inner realities, Eric. And what you
don't know and don't understand must not be non-existential.
Michael
Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:05 pm
stopping the mind does not stop the ego but grows a spiritual one
Aha, that's why Ozay is as he is:
he stops his mind.
But who decides to stop it?
> ... LET US SAY FOR SIMPLICITY SAKE [THIS ENERGY]
> HAS A NUMERIC VALUE OF 10 ...
Then most people live at the value of 0.1 most of the time.
> ... IF ONE IS FOR INSTANCE OVER USING MIND THEN [...]
> SIMPLY ONE CANNOT HAVE POSITIVE EMOITION, [...]
Over-using the mind dampers all emotions, not only the
positive ones. That why people love to think it's a way
to control their negative emotions for the moment.
> ... LACK OF SLEEP OR TIREDNESS ALSO MAKES A DEFICIT FRPOM YOUR
> NUMERIC VALUE, TOO MUCH PHYSICAL EXCERTION CAN ALSO USE UO THE
> NUMERIC VALUES
A rather limited point of view. What is not taken into account
are the energy-blocks the mind is usually and mostly subconsciously
exercising. To maintain those ego-blocks costs the most energy.
Hence when one becomes tired and exausted, chances are, that the
ego becomes tired and weak first. Then the natural energy can flow
more easily. That's the main reason why exaustive marathon groups
allow new experiences.
What is also not taken into account in Ozays energy theory, that
the energy level of the system can be rised - for example by
bioenergetic exercises or thru extreme emotional situations. Marathon
runner or person doing extreme sports know, that extreme activity
will not seldom lead to transpersonal experiences. Especially if
such energy-rising activities are done in a way, where the ego
is not also strengthened together with the bioenergy, breakthroughs
are bound to happen.
The defects in Ozays system are obviously the result of Ozays
mind-control. By exercising his will to stop his mind, he has
exercised some sort of subtle domination of his mind over his
mind and thus grown a stronger, more tricky and spiritual mind.
A very common pitfall for seekers without the control thru a
spiritual friend.
Greetings
Michael
Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:42 pm
Re: SHAKE, SHAKE YOUR BOOTY - OOPS BUDDHA - FESS UP BELOW
--- "dhyaan_prabha" <dhyaan_prabha@...> wrote:
> Who is Helga? Why she should run from Kabir?
> Did kabby tried to whip her always for AWAKENING
>
> Little interest in gossip
The whole thing is just gossip born out of envy ;)
Kabir
Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:22 am
Re: I ask to be tortured
--- "dhyaan_prabha" <dhyaan_prabha@...> wrote:
> You are right.There is conscious state which
> knows 'not conscious'.
>
> Then why conscious state cannot name it as 'conscious'??
>
> I mean
>
> CONSCIOUS CONSCIOUS state - thoughtless awareness, NO MIND
First you are interested in how your state is named,
next second you talk about thoughtless awareness
and no mind in capital letters.
The more you talk and write about spiritual themes,
the bigger the mess becomes which you created in you.
And don't compare yourself in this aspect with other
people "on the path", because this inner chaos is
symptomatic for modern spirituality (starting with Osho).
Many on this list for example have the same Gordonic
knot in their brains - graziness is bound to happen,
when the person tries to reach transpersonal states.
Ego wanting to reach no-mind is just a bullshit
creating machine.
Your mind is no exception.
Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:18 am
Re: Our minds have been pampered
--- "Om Shanti" <unbound@...> wrote:
> After having a friendly dialogue
Ego can NEVER be friednly, except if it gets,
what it is programmed to get, and a spiritulistic
or so called alternative or neo-ego is no
exception. But such friendlyness is poison
for the heart.
What feels hurt, when I call you a big mouth?
Your left knee?
Your true center?
Or your false center?
You say you want become one with the
divine energy. Then - when you meet
the divine - you want to be the greatest
spirit in the universe. How should that
be possible?
If you hold on to Altons pride - it's
your decision. But then you will not
experience anything bigger than your
mouth.
Your intention matters - not your words.
Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:03 am
Re: I ask to be tortured
--- "dhyaan_prabha" <dhyaan_prabha@...> wrote:
> BTW, I also agree that I
> am not CONSCIOUS all the time.
How would you know then, to be not conscious?
Spirituality is a cult, which first declares
consciousness as a goal and then talks so much
and so wrongly about it, that it's members
believe that they are missing it and need
to strive for it.
Many religions function the same way. First
God is declared to exist, then all about God
is explained ad nauseam, and finally only
the priests are allowed to have contact with
God (after long studies and initiations).
Look at Osho, who did the opposite: for years he
talked about enlightenment and that as well as how
his Sannyasins could reach it. Before Osho, enlightenment
was said to be an extremely rare state of being,
now all of Oshos Sannyasins can define and talk about
it endlessly.
Which way you turn, you are made more and more grazy.
While the little children, who have never heard a single
word about consciousness o9r enlightenment, laugh and
shriek so intensely when they are happy that it penetrates
walls and wakes up the dead.
Jeeva, never having heard a single word about consciousness,
meditation, spirituality or enlightenment would make you
as ware and awake as possible, when you are awake.
But this wanting and trying to be conscious steals
a great portion of your energy and thus leaves you as an
undead seeker in the graveyards of the spiritual circus.
Michael
Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:23 pm
Good night
--- "dhyaan_prabha" <dhyaan_prabha@...> wrote:
> Remember it is not a absolute requirement
> that one should be in ZEN tradition for
> AWAKENING
But being asleep is a prerequisit.
So why to you try to be awake?
That's counter-productive.
Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:23 am
Re: Our minds have been pampered
--- "Alton" <unbound@...> wrote:
> I am mad as hell, so I seek the source which is me without
> occlusions.
Why don't you use ALL of your power, intelligence, knowledge,
friends, experiences and support? Just beeing mad satisfies you?
What about your intelligence? Why act like a maniac and not like
a scientist? Why jump unto unproven concepts? Is such stupid,
unscientific behaviour really adequate to the importance the
situation is having for you?
> Yes I have another 99 lifetimes of intense mindfulness training.
> I am a spiritual lame and need more training then most seekers,
> but so what, slow and steady wins the enlightenment entitlement.
Slow and steady going farther and farther away -
and you know that that is the case, else you wouldn't
be mad as hell about yourself and your "attainments".
Michael
Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:01 am
Re: KABBY ZIMMY MICKEY
--- "dhyaan_prabha" <dhyaan_prabha@...> wrote:
> And let there be no gender bias in FUCKING
I must disappoint you: I _am_ biased.
I go for women. No chance, Baba.
Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:05 am
Re: KABBY ZIMMY MICKEY
--- I"dhyaan_prabha" <dhyaan_prabha@...> wrote:
> > There once was a poor girl, who wanted to
> > escape her mediocre life by fighting ...
> Yes.Poor people can't afford Fucking normally...
>
> You see ,there are rich men/women who wanted to
> escape their *mediocre* life by fighting as
> many as they could find.
....
Now, take a breath and look again.
You interpreted 'poor' as not having money?
But a posting before that, you told _me_ to
have a money-mind.
You react on provocations for cmd and do so
in a mix of 'spirituality' with 'fuck' and Masters,
Gurus-, Anti-Gurus?
What the fuck is going on over there?
Do you defend cmd as a master/mistress
or as a good fuck? Or what?
> ... to destabilise real seekers
Fake seekers are not worth to be destabilized.
> They are the real criminals in spirituality.
But everybody within spirituality is a criminal.
Politics is a game of innocent elves compared
to spirituality.
Seekers try to steel the truth/enlightenment
from the Gurus. True Gurus try to trick the
seekers into personality-demolition, fake Gurus
cash in in money, prestige, self-importance etc.
> Being such is the situation why condemn
> CMD alone?Do you want to mean that only
> *rich* persons have the authority to FUCK?
> or Do you want to mean that only certain people
> with certain qualification have the authority
> to FUCK...Can you briefly explain your rules for
> FUCKERS and fucking...
Indians should not fuck at all, they should AT MOST
make some tantric meeting of the souls once a year.
Best would be to melt into their Masters/Gurus/Sidhis
only.
> Really there is no rule...
> We are only making certain rules for convenience
> and exercising authority over others...
No, I don't make rules. Powerless people need rules
to feel a little more safe. I simply exercise my
authority over you without any rule, moral and with
total irrationality.
> If you are ready to forgive those people out of your compassion
> then extend your generosity to ALL FUCKERS whether they are
> right or wrong.That won't cost you anyhthing really.
Forgive whom? Forgive you to fuck whom? Explain.
Send pictures. Tell names. Come on, this is a spiritual
gathering, we all go for the utmost TRUTH.
If you are no fake seeker, that is.
> Allow real freedom of expression.Don't try to manipulate
> in the name of freedom of expression...
This is an interesting try to manipulate me into
carrying your mental pampers of "freedom of expression".
But what do you want to express, darling?
Is your thought-system free from the common manipulation?
It doesn't look like, because your postings are full of
general trivialities.
Is your feeling system free? Just look at how you become
unconscious when money and sex are mentioned.
Before you claim real freedom of expression, I'd say,
it's more wise to have a closer look at your unfree
thoughts and unreal feelings first.
> Don't insult or try to humiliate any one bringing the past
> history...What and how you have been years ago...
> What and how your Masters have been years ago...
> Then why are you working for disciples to come out
> of their misery....
I'm not working for you to come out of your misery, Baba.
Why should I? With every thought and action you are creeping
deeper into it. So you want it the way it is - you want
yourself the way you are. Because you create, defend, fortify
yourself every moment.
It would be very impolite to go against you and try to bring
you out of your misery. And it would be stupid even to think
about it.
> Remind it and act with Justice
No. I used the mind long enough - no need to re-mind anything.
And if I can act with an open heart or even with conciousness,
than that's more than enough for me. Put justice where it belongs:
back up into the last millenium.
Michael
Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:40 am
Re: I ask to be tortured
--- "dhyaan_prabha" <dhyaan_prabha@...> wrote:
> > And: how much is it, Baba?
>
> cost? your 'mind' :-)
Are you sure?
I mean: r u sure, that it is _my_ mind or
_your_ mind, that mind (esp. money
mindedness) is not something which
is not really our own, but owned by
humanity/society?
But let's bargain a little, Baba.
#########################
## 20,- Euro per slap. ##
#########################
Send a picture, where you slap yourself,
and I'll send you one of my 20,- Euro
notes. Agreed?
Michael
Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:37 pm
Our minds have been pampered
--- "Om Shanti" <unbound@...> wrote:
> True needs to be repeated for those who are forgetful
> and in denial.
Truth can be and is sensed immediatedly by everybody.
And lies don't become truth - not through repetetion,
not through common acceptance, not through anything.
Repetition is a technique when one works with and on
the mind. But before you use to work with the mind
of others, I say: make your own mind clearer.
> You SHOULD know that I am the person who has absolutely
> no shoulds. What you are imagining and then offering is
> the exudation of your mental
> impressions causing delusional mental tendencies.
> That sentence is for those who are stuck in should nots
> like Michael, which will
> make them aware of that which is necessary to be free of shoulds.
Pseudo-therapeutical bullshit combined with some linguistic
twists and corners, which intend to irritate the reader's mind.
I say: such mind-techniques should not be used for egoistic
means (e.g. to inflate and defend one's own ego).
> Have you attained instantaneous mindfulness of the dharmas
> as per yet? If not then you need to start sitting on your
> pin cushion to continue your training my friend. Don't be
> part and parcel to those on the path that think training
> for mindfulness will only build a stronger ego.
> The Buddha knew best when he said MINDFULNESS
> is the only way.
If you are greedy for spiritual attainment, that does not
make it the final goal of life; it only proves you to be ill,
misery and greedy.
I say: life has no goal. There is no path. There is only
stupidity. Stupidity, which goes for goals, attainments
and the rest.
Wether I'm right or wrong and whatever life is:
If you cannot accept life as it is,
you are still in kindergarden.
Time for fresh Pampers.
Michael
Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:03 am
Re: SHAKE, SHAKE YOUR BOOTY - OOPS BUDDHA - FESS UP BELOW
--- "celticmoondance" <celticmoondance@...> wrote:
>
> Noby is co-dependent and needs some drama in his life. He relies on
> Kabby babe to play guru with his unenlightened views on here. When
it
> gets hot in the kitchen, Kabby bolts.
There once was a poor girl, who wanted to
escape her mediocre life by fighting as
many as she could find. Now she is an
important member of the Fuck .. aeh
Fighters Anonymous.
Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:32 am
Re: I ask to be tortured
--- Jeeva <dhyaan_prabha@...> wrote:
> When every one falls asleep Kabir
> wrote his own imagination and fabrication
>
> On next day Jeeva gave him a slap
> and asked to be mindful;-)
What is the sound of your hand slapping?
Why is it slapping?
Who is being slapped?
And: how much is it, Baba?
Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:17 am
Re: Our souls have been plundered
--- "Om Shanti" <unbound@...> wrote:
> ... plundered by implants from alien entities ...
> We now should ... If we are earnest ... we must deny ...
> By rejecting ... we know ...
> ... have become free of those alien implants ...
Sounds like one of these old tape recorders to me.
If you are really free and unconditional, why all
those 'should', 'must', 'reject' and 'deny' in your
ideas?
The Masters, techniques, ideas and concepts you
mentioned are part of the past millenium for me.
If I hold on to them, it feels as if I want to
walk while still chained with very long chains
to the past.
Any reality chained to the past (or bound with
pre-conditions) is not reality but memory (or
hope).
> needing nothing additional
Hope. You wouldn't talk about "needing nothing additional"
if you would not feel that "something essential" to be
missing.
Michael
Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:41 pm
Re: I ask to be tortured
On day one man created God in his own image.
On day two man invented the law of Karma
according to his own split conscience.
On day three men and women decided to take it
seriously and invented the Goddess of Love as
well as the God of War.
On day four the Liars Guild took Truth
for a mascot. Women and men started to use
the word "my" thirty times more often as "thy"
- especially in conjunction with Love, Truth
and Life.
On day five man started to become aware of
the bullshit he had created, but he did not
simply throw away all the rubbish out of
his life. He rather began decorating himself
with flowers and call it "to be on the path
back to myself" - or "re-ligion".
On day six Misery gave birth to Saviour,
Therapist and Master.
On the seventh day man fell asleep and stress
disappeared from the surface of the earth.
I think, simply dying is enough to fulfill
my destination. Everything else is surplus
material on the DVD of life: scenes nobody
wanted to see, interviews with the ignorants,
avertising for other movies and copyright
notices everybody hates.
Greetings
Michael (c) 1945
Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:16 pm
Re: -maybe this should titled the N0by / G, chronicles #2
My God, Nobody, you are sliming more than ever!
I had not thought that was possible, but you managed.
A whole tanker full of N0by-slime.
Urgs.
Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:58 pm
Re: SHAKE, SHAKE YOUR BOOTY - OOPS BUDDHA - FESS UP BELOW
--- "celticmoondance" <celticmoondance@...> wrote:
> How many of you are really honouring Osho's work?
Celtic,
honouring the work of a master is worse than fighting
the master, resisting the master or running away from
the school altogether. Because by honouring one doesn't
even recognize that one is stuck.
Secondly, why do you care about others?
> Have you awakened the Buddha in you?
> Or are you still asleep?
Can you read this text?
Then you are awake.
Can you stop provocing on your own decision?
Then you are not automatic.
Can you say "I" without feeling ashamed?
Then you have done your homework and felt
enough shame already.
Can you feel love without any cause or intention?
Then you know who is.
Can you hide before yourself?
Then you are dead.
All spirituality is a prolongation and intensifying
of the suffering and misery. Especially Osho's.
Michael
Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:38 pm
Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:16 am
Re: Enlightenment Test for Kabir :-) / n0by and his mates.
--- "hans" <hans_vandergugten@...> wrote:
> Am I allowed to quote you?
Pussy.
> Wauw, and how are you sanctioning this?
> Or is n0by obidient out of free will?
I will simply leave and stop posting here. :)
> Yes, and apparently he needs them so much, that he
> gives up his priciples, where you were teasing him
> about by lying that he was hasling with it.
>
> At least it looks as if n0by is the only one on
> the internet who is moderated by his webmaster.
Now you are even salting his wounds, Hans.
See, what I meant with "sadistic friends"?
> Any comment, AAArrrhat Thomass?
> Is this a joke?
Aaah, our Joker fears being joked about
without knowing it. Interesting.
Knowledge, knowledge, knowledge seems to be
an even bigger motor in your life than the
old machine you moved from your boat recently.
I'll tell you a secret, the essence of my
spiritual experience, the root, the core.
Here it comes, are you ready?
Don't bite your teeth, don't hold your breath.
Just stay open for the most profound secret
in spirituality. Here it is:
There is no secret.
Nothing is hidden. The only obstruction ever
to know anything is our self.
Consequently, Hans, if you don't get it,
when jokes are done, it's you who is doing
the joke. You are playing stupid. Probably
to bring up N0by above the 150 degree
centigrades level.
I love it.
> There a password is needed and a fake link to the
> webmaster, which is Michael Living Kabir, as we know.
This is wrong. The webmaster is the owner of the site, the
one responseable for it's contents. As a service provider
I just have to act on his orders (when possible by law,
regulations etc.). The ISP has no right and no responseability
regarding the content (as far as the content stays within the
borders of law and service-contract). By the way the password
is "fuckyou" only spelled a little different.
Come on, beat more bushes...
What about the images from within the male sauna,
I don't allow N0by to post? Have you ever seen them?
Then you would know, that they "don't exist".
Like the russian friends - membot mechanic for example -
which also don't exist.
Or the Energy-pictures from Bodensee, taken with
the russian Aura camera? Not just these empty shoes,
but the rest?
Hans, perhaps it would be better for you and your boat,
if you don't dig into the relationship N0by <-> Kabir
too deeply. Waking up sleeping dogs is easy, but stirring
a wild dragon ... tsst, tsst, tsst. :)
Message #25633 of 31752
Re: Enlightenment Test for Kabir :-)
--- "Eric Paroissien" <ericparoissien@...> wrote:
> I don't get it why people have to be so unique and feel so unique
> about being so unique, and UG does not escape that dull common rule;
> i feel the essence of any realization is to escape the realization
> of the one unique, so escape realization in a short and that UG is
> still stuck into it ... maybe he thinks he has achieved a great
> deal because
> he went through tremendous physical upheavals in London, like anyone
> who has been through cancer or given birth to a child makes it the
> center of her/his relation to the physical world .. i think UG does
> not even know that, so he can help some but hinder many with his
> wrong view of "tremendous transformation" which is so egoistic.
I don't know, I have not met him personally.
Generally I think, although we can learn a lot of basic truths from
the great spirits of the last Yuga, we also have to take into account
the difference between them and their times and environments and ours.
In the Kali Yuga, which just ended (between 1970 and 2000?), spiritual
science had to be "esoteric" - hidden, secret. Basic knowledge could
only be expressed in coded form. Searching "for God" was Blasphemy,
often punished severely. One of the effects was it then, that those
who went for it, were really determined (which is obviously seldom the
case nowadays). The other effect was this master-disciple system
of teaching (which is also outdated for my feeling), and still
another was that it was sort of "special" - because it was at that
time.
This "special" thing is one of the first to crumble and melt in the
sun of the coming Yuga. We are allready having more people on earth
who have or had higher level of energy and consciousness than ever
lived during the past 2000 years, I assume. Perhaps the childern
of our children will find it normal to know that they are Buddhas
(and have a direct connection into states at their fingertipps, which
were formlerly called "satoris" or even "enlightenment".
Spiritual spring is coming. It will be no longer special to be
enlightened. Even the very word will not be used - except in jokes.
Only the still frozen idiots from the past millenium will think
otherwise. Only the snowmen left from the last winter (in areas,
where it's spiritually still cold enough - e.g. India or Croatia)
will still play master and disciple with each other.
So don't take the old Masters literally. Who knows what they would
say today - if they themselves would be at all possible in the same
way as they grew up 50 or 100 years ago?
If you want to play with snowmen - or with corpses - or with books,
no problem, do as you please. But if you want to learn something
about yourself, don't avoid modern alive spiritual friends. And
don't avoid frustrating situations either. That's my idea about
spirituality.
Kabir
Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:56 am
Message #25666 of 31752
Re: A Present For Jeeva
--- "hello_jeeva" <hello_jeeva@...> wrote:
> DROP YOUR PROUD ATTITUDE KABIR
Thank you.
Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:19 pm
Message #25645 of 31752
Re: The Three Diseases ... !!!
--- "Bhikkhu Samahita" <bhikkhu.samahita@...> wrote:
> Friends:
Sure.
> Similarly with those mentally infected by grades of greed,
> hate & ignorance:
Yes, I've heard such people exist.
> One will cure & free himself, even without meeting this
> Buddha-Dhamma...
> One will never be cured, even if taught this Dhamma by
> the Buddha himself...
> One will be cured & freed, if & only if, taught &
> learning this Buddha-Dhamma...
> It is for the sake of this last type of person, that
> this Dhamma should be shared!
You forgot the Bhikkhus. Or are they allready
in one (or more) of the above classifications?
Just testing how old you are;
modern computerized answering machines will
answer to comments, old ones won't.
Kabir
Sun Feb 19, 2006 9:54 am
Message #25627 of 31752
Re: Enlightenment Test for Kabir :-)
> But UG is a liar at heart, he places himself (in his own words)
> among the greatest masters and treats us as cattle.
> If he sincerely wanted us to drop all masters and disciplines and
> endeavor, the first obvious thing would be for him to drop his lofty
> status of "realizer" and talk to people on the same level; but he'd
> have to give up the game of fame, name, dame and money.(he he ;-))
That's not how I see him. He's a liar, yes, but not a liar at heart.
This thing of fame, name, dame and money is yours for my feeling,
not his. Don't mix that with your analysis of the situation.
There is a clear, simple, straightforward understanding of the
given situation, where everything falls into place like a puzzle.
You only have to give up one illusion so see everything else.
Realized people have lost their illusions.
To help you to realize also, they have to help
you to loose your illusions also. People coming
to them are 1.) full of illusions (otherweise why
should they go to a realizer) and 2.) they are
of the spiritual scene, they are "seekers".
So spiritual illusions come to the realizer and say:
"please give me your clear state of realizing."
These spiritual illusions U.G. is trying to destroy.
A doctor who has mercy with the cancer is no doctor.
Now look at your own reaction to U.G.
You are pissed. You are frustrated.
U.G. must have attacked one of your
beloved spiritual illusions. Which one
is simple for you to find out - just
find the sentence, the context or the
imagined situation to which you say NO
the most violently.
Being treated like cattle?
No problem for me, I say "Moooh!".
Drop all masters and disciplines?
No problem, I'm anyway only
doing what I feel right to do, but if that
should ever again include going to a master,
I'll be gone before even thinking "why should I?"
as for me it's enough to know, THAT I want to go,
I need not other reason.
Being helpless, unable to improve my own awareness?
That's also my experience. But that doen't mean that
awareness is not able to grow.
Any exercise is void and meaningless?
That's also my feeling, yet I do what I feel right to do.
So what's your problem with U.G., besides your own illusions
about spirituality and yourself?
Ka
Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:28 pm
Message #25623 of 31752
--- In , "hello_jeeva" <hello_jeeva@...> wrote:
A Present for Jeeva
> So as a straight forward answer you said '= not two'.
Now
DROP THIS ANSWER
It is wrong.
It is not yours.
Don't you dare to steal my answers, you fucking idiot!
Or one time you will look like this Datta Dadda Baba.
These Indians are full of stolen answers, inherited
from their ancestors for thousands of years.
Wrotten scriptures, wrotten minds. India is a continent
full of spiritual thiefs - with only some rare and few
exceptions (probably all dead by now).
Proof? Look at who is posting the most holy bullshit
in this group. Not "most holy ..." but "most ... bullshit"
Don't put my words into such a mind!
Avoid masters and disciples, they draw you
down to their level of greediness.
Kabir
Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:15 pm
Message #25611 of 31752
Re: Prakki's Datta swami's butthead
--- "Eric Paroissien" <ericparoissien@...> wrote:
> is it only me or anyone else would like
> to slap his face to see if he
> is alive behind his holy attitude?
It's not only you. :)
But I slap friends only. No slap for everybody.
Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:23 pm
Message #25605 of 31752
Re: Enlightenment Test for Kabir :-)
> 1+1=
No, thank you.
Testing for enlightenment does only make sense, if
you either want it or want to avoid it.
So it's either illusion or enlightenment,
enlightenment or illusion.
By preferring one you suppress the other.
I'm neither totally enlightend, nor totally living
in illusion. Even if I am in a totally unaware state
(say during a surgical operation, when my consciousness
is "switched out" completely and I am so called "unconscious"),
even then I am there. I don't "know" it then, I don't think about it,
I don't formulate it (and I don't formulate it's opposite either),
yet I am there. I don't even have the slightest idea,
where this "there" is, don't have the slightest idea about
who I am, what my name is, what time, what day, nothing,
nada, niente. Yet when I come back, I say: I was not away,
there was nothing to watch, there was no "watching" happening.
Yet I know that there was nothing. No discrimination - yet I know.
No "I", yet I was. No time, no light, darkness everywhere - yet no
light to call it darkness, no tongue to say "pretty dark here",
no tongue to say "let there be light", no wish.
Why should I try to reach it again?
It's still here. The activity of
the senses are just a layer above it.
Why should I try to suppress my normal
sense-activities, just to dive into it again?
It's not away and I'm not away from it.
Trying to reach it would only create stress.
Trying to become more aware than I am at the moment,
would only create stress. Even with a test about how aware
or how unaware I am, how enlightened or how unenlightend,
I would split myself into a tester and a test-object,
cut myself into a "conscious" and an "unconscious" part.
Forget about it. My answer to everything:
= not two. Because I say so. Full stop.
Below everything, in beween everyting,
in the soul of everything: darkness.
And spirit is moving motionless
over the face of the waters.
As allways.
Go and look.
Nothing special.
Everything else is just a game.
Kabir
--
Message #25550 of 31752
Re: World of Brotherly Love
Am Donnerstag, 16. Februar 2006 16:57 schrieb James Wyly:
> "The secret of prolonging life depends on the ability to spend the
> energy of our centers slowly and only intentionally. Learn to think
> consciously. This produces economy in the expenditure of energy.
> DON'T DREAM."
> --Gurdjieff, page 123, Views
Bullshit. And the fact that you repeat it, doesn't make it better.
Perhaps this was true at the time and in the place and for the
people, when and where and to whom Gurdjieff said or wrote it.
Perhaps. Doubtfully perhaps, but perhaps.
For the modern man with all his blocks this is outright false.
To remove the blocks, one has to be total first. Why else
was G. creating such extreme situations for his disciples?
Standing motionless while the water is rising over your head,
don't you think, that such a situation will bring up your
bio-energy to the fullest?
James, wisdom out of the book must be applied with awareness,
on the basis of personal experience - and not based on even more
bookwisdom.
Quality of knowing is more important than quantity in the Inner World.
Just one single small statement which is true for you and which you are
following wholeheartedly with body and mind is more valuable than a
thousand books from masters, who never had the chance to see you.
Spirituality means going in.
To yourself, not to Gurjieff or God or anywhere else.
Reading books means going out.
Nothing against books - but all this Gurdjieff stuff
has only brought you away from your own very
sensible heart. That's my feeling, regarding you.
Your mind is misusing Gurdjieffs authority against yourself.
That was an expression of my brotherly love.
Kabir
Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:43 pm
Message #25549 of 31752
Re: Hi
Am Donnerstag, 16. Februar 2006 16:58 schrieb hello_jeeva:
> Dear Kabir,
>
> Because you consider yourself as enlightened
> you think Germany is the center of spirituality
> in this millenium.This is what called ego-centric thinking.
>
> I never claimed because I have born in India,
> I have some extra previlege in spirituality.
Why do you defend yourself, then?
If you have never claimed it, and if it wasn't in your subconscious,
it would not touch you at all, and there would be no need for you
to defend yourself. The fact that you even try a counter-attack
shows clearly, that you felt insulted. But what was insulted, if
not your (more or less subconscious) self-image?
And why do you consider me considering myself
to be enlightened - Indian minority feeling? ;)
Just thinking is not deep enough.
Look deeper into yourself.
Especially when talking with a Bavarian Baba. :)
Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:13 pm
Message #25543 of 31752
Re: Hi
Am Donnerstag, 16. Februar 2006 16:05 schrieb hans:
> Any good Mulligatawny soup recipee?
<headwobble> How much you pay, Baba?
Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:27 pm
Message #25542 of 31752
Re: Hi
Am Donnerstag, 16. Februar 2006 15:57 schrieb hello_jeeva:
> Hi Kabir,
>
> How do u know abt past life.
> r u joking.funny boy.
No, no, no, no.
How do you know, what I know.
I did 3 month of intensive spiritual
training with Ma Vaduda and Sw. Vadud
- Esotheric Science -, at a time,
while you probably didn't even know
how to spell your Name. When You see
Vaduda or Vadud you'd probably fall
unconscious out of fear - nothing to
say about meeting them both in person.
I am a trained Chacra Reader, certified
Kundalini Awaker, Great Lover and
Master of my own certification in
computer science. And I got a written
enlightenment certificate from the
most difficult and demanding of all
the modern enlightenment schools.
Two of my disciples allready became enlightened
without even trying, one is still working as
hard as he can.
Message #25538 of 31752
Re: Hi
Am Donnerstag, 16. Februar 2006 15:38 schrieb Tejasvi:
> I am Tejasvi Surya from India.
> Is there any Indian friends here
> to share and discuss personally
> OSHO and his philosophy.
I was an Indian housewife in a former life
and a Sannyasin in this, do I qualify?
-Kabir
Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:49 pm
Message #25529 of 31752
Re: Be Still And Know That You Are On Moderation
--- "zora" <zora.novak@...> wrote:
> I trust n0by.
>
> and it was already to much for him that
> I wrote here that I was
> moderated..
Allready too much?
Only for his ego.
We need to drive our friends over the
edge of their egos, else they wouldn't
learn to fly with the wings of their heart.
A wise woman doesn't need to be told that
twice, I'm sure. Just try it and watch your joy...
:D Kabir
--
Bitter medicine has to be coated with sugar and
truth has to be wrapped into jokes, stories and lies.
Politicians try to wrap their lies into tiny pieces
of truth; people on the path do the opposite.
Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:33 pm
Message #25527 of 31752
Kabir's Minority Report
--- "zora" <zora.novak@...> wrote:
> yes , I heard how true Sannyasins are individuals
> free to live their life according to their truth!
> (You too are example [;)] )
You are an example for yourself, Onitamo.
98% of our sensory input doesn't make it into the
consciousness - yet it is not forgotten. Hence when
we are together with a living master, most of his
teaching/healing is not in his words.
If we keep the words, we keep those 2% which can be
recorded, transmitted and remembered by the mind.
That's ok, they are nice words, wise words.
But if we use Osho's words to avoid ourselves,
we would be better off not having him met at all.
So let Onitamo speak. Please.
Or let her be silent.
It's her choice, not yours.
Osho has talked more than enough,
that cup is allready overflowing
since 12 years. And even a thousand
living masters could not make a
single step in your shoes.
Follow your feet. They know where to go.
Kabit
Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:15 pm
Message #25524 of 31752
Re: Be Still And Know That You Are On Moderation
Am Donnerstag, 16. Februar 2006 12:15 schrieb swsuviro:
> still dancing with the worm, mastermind Nobsi?
They are his worms after all. I'm sure, he told some
of his Indian friends to bring them into the list.
So that afterwards he can say "I gave you a taste of moderation"
like OSHO said "I gave you a taste of fascism" after Oregon.
Never underestimate what a Sannyasin
may have learned from his Master!
Got a speed ticket lately?
Kabir
Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:30 pm
Message #25520 of 31752
Be Still And Know That You Are On Moderation
Am Donnerstag, 16. Februar 2006 10:54 schrieb zora:
> I send this from website..no other possibility..
> it doesn't apear if I send from my mailbox..
> and no picture possible inside..
Yes, what to do? The virus storm gave N0by the taste of
freedom - moderator's freedom to block whomsoever he
felt like. And now he's enjoying it to the fullest...
Just tell the people in the non-N0by-moderated lists,
that N0by has fallen from the grace of freedom of speech
and became a normal moderator again. Perhaps this
might help him back into the higher realms of - if not
consciousness, then at least conscience.
Be a good spiritual friend, Zora, help him.
With Deepest Love
Kabir
Truth Is What Works. OSHO
-----------------------------------------------
Sheela and her gang... Sheela and her gang...
Sheela and her gang... OSHO 1985
-----------------------------------------------
Sheela was not a criminal... OSHO 1986
(when she was allready in jail)
-----------------------------------------------
A Master has as much compassion for the ego
as a blacksmith has for the iron in the fire.
Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:47 am
Message #25505 of 31752
Re: A grain of explanation to Kabir The Obliving
Am Mittwoch, 15. Februar 2006 20:49 schrieb damarijan:
> How can you "criticize"if you are not enlightened, asked Master Ivan
> Likeyou, again? Your "critic" is not QUALIFIED, Kabir.
Only unenlightened, spiritually greedy idiots are interested at all in
enlightenment.
I LIVE, therefore I'm qualified, allowed and supported by the Tao
to do what I see right to do.
> In difference to you, Master Ivan is not "refusing" this funny guru
> at all.
Ivan is not even aware enough to recognize, that I'm
not refusing Bhagwan at all. He is beating empty bushes
all the time. Ivan himself is a pretty empty bush.
> He is accepting this LIAR and HYPOCRIT ABSOLUTELLY.
There is not need for me to accept or to reject Bhagwan,
not in small letters, not in capital letters, not relatively and
not absolutely. Ivan is deep in his own dualistic thinking.
> "As a thankfull object of his enlightened researching of the
> humans "spiritual" stupidity", Master Ivan also said.
A study, which he is obviously deepening with you,
Damisch-Ivan-Copy.
> You messenger
> Damarijan
Thank you.
Have the two of you not recognized by now,
that I'm having my own DSL-connection
and don't need these lame messenger-vultures
which Ivan uses for carrier pidgeons?
> PS.
> Why don't you comment Master Ivan's
> "SECOND LIE OF DECLINE OSHO EMPIRE"?
a) because I have not read it, stupid sweety.
b) because I read it, but could not remember anything about it.
c) because I was there myself and made my own experiences.
d) because my mouth is no longer watering when
a bell rings "Osho, Osho, Osho, OSHO, ..."
e) all of the above
f) none of the above
Pick your choice.
But memember: with your choices you are creating your own reality.
> Master Ivan gave there a full explanation of Osho's LIE
> about "CONDITIONING"?
> You maybe didn't understand it?
Oh yes, I forgot:
g) because I didn't understand it.
Stupid me, tssst, tssst, tssst.
Let me tell you something personally,
from unenlightend person to unenlightend
person so to speak:
You two are getting boring. Again.
Scratching with a knife on the surface of a
chinaware plate is more melodious
and has more fantasy in it, then talking
with you.
And you stink of greed - spiritual greed,
the worst kind of greed possible. The greed
for God, the greed for enlightenment, even
the greed to be higher than God.
I apologize to all vultures of the earth,
that I compared these beautiful, great, strong
birds with such little, egocentric peckers as
you and you ENLIGHTENED master are.
If that is enlightenment, no wonder that
nobody in his right senses really goes for it.
As such you are a great help and antidote
for the modern spiritual circus. Just keep on
your good work as the worst examples possible.
Ka
Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:43 pm
Message #25502 of 31752
Hi Zora
Perhaps http://www.ayurvedaonline.biz
might be something for you?
A friend of mine is behind it.
The site is in German, but she speaks
English also, I think. Email on the site is
m.schirra@arcor.de
Greetings
Kabir
Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:01 pm
Message #25499 of 31752
Re: zora is moderated in n0by group-her karma
EXCELLENT! A HOMERUN!
Together with the posting immediately before it (the one
full of love for thy brother) this is just perfect.
No direct hit, just a sharp needle put a the right spot.
WHOW! I love artful witchcraft!
And look at N0by's prompt reaction - he withdraws
all his teeth, sharp words and all and everything at once!
Hahahahahahaha! Great!
And then, while the needle is still in the flesh, this nice,
tender agitation with the sentence "Ok I take my karma."
- delicious!
Hihihihihihihihi!
Wizard of Oz
Am Mittwoch, 15. Februar 2006 13:45 schrieb zora:
> [:))] Ok n0by,
>
> you don't let go posts which I try to forward from soulseekers ..
> free links with osho talk.
> I tried as direct posts..but it didn't come to the group..
> lost in the universe.. [:(]
>
> but it is not fair..
> I let your posts go through in osho-flowering..
> [:)] :
> Ok I take my karma.
>
> nothing is as it seems to be..
>
> democrati,freedom of speach,controll...
> just words...
>
> if it is not your filter then excuse me..
> it must be some higher power protecting this group from danger.... [;)]
Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:20 pm
Message #25496 of 31752
Re: Unrecognisible Obliving Kabir
Am Mittwoch, 15. Februar 2006 12:39 schrieb venu gopal:
> you are absolutely right..one shudnt supress..but why on others only..!?
> then why catharsis is needed in dynamic meditation.we have
> giberrish,dynamic and so on.... only thing i want share is that you please
> piss whole heartedly but why on others!? emphasis shud be on pissing and
> not on whom.
Pissing was just my play with words - in the meaning of "getting pissed".
The non-material, i.e. spiritual thing should not be really mixed with the
biological function.
Deeper down I was talking about frustrating the expectations of the other,
not fulfilling the hopes, destroying the dreams, bringing down the egocentric
self-image of the person. You cannot do that yourself, you need the
interchange with the environment for that, especially with your close social
environment. Because otherwise, you would strengthen your ego while
reducing it. You would become proud for being humble. You would build
up a spiritual ego in place of the normal one.
Looked at even deeper down: bringing down the ego means bringing up the
Energy, the Buddha (of the individual you insult). If you just hit the ego and
don't have any connection to the Buddha of the "target", the whole thing
becomes sadistic, just a chaotic, unaimed beating around.
And then there are also the reactions - when you hit somebody,
you are getting some change back. That's why the Inner Guide,
the Energy, the Buddha, the Higher Self is allways sending newly
born Buddhas "on tour". The newcomers get the message "Go and
tell others! And if they don't want to hear, SHOUT into their ears!
Shake them, wake them, beat them, don't let them sleep any longer!"
That way your Inner Master ensures, that you get the beatings
you need. Ivan is a good example for that, abviously his Innner Guide
decided, that Ivan needs a lot of beating... and now Ivan is sending
his poor disciples into the same environment, the N0by-list, which
was so helpful for himself one or two years ago. And of course, he's not
saying "get beaten" - no not at all. He says: "beat 'em, wake'em,
tell them. what I need to tell em, tell 'em, what God needs to tell 'em."
That way, they become stone-washed. A little.
Dynamic is a different thing alltogether, it's not an interaction, it's a
meditation technique originally developed to be used by a connected
meditation leader. Off topic for the moment.
I tell you all this, because I have the feeling, that you are listening
to a certain degree. And also because I know, that my information
will burn it's way through your conditioning to reach your heart.
I don't write with ink,
I write with acid,
with the acid of logic.
Acid for the mind
is a gentle touch
for the being.
That's my experience
Gentle Kabir
Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:48 pm
Message #25492 of 31752
Re: Unrecognisible Obliving Kabir
Am Mittwoch, 15. Februar 2006 02:59 schrieb venu gopal:
> beloved kibir,
> good morning.
> i wish to know..
> is it necessary to point out if one is fake?
Dear fake Gopal,
it is neccessary to follow your feelings and not your social, asocial, Hindi,
Christan, hidden or obvious conditioning. That is my experience.
If you try to control your reactions, you only end up adding another
layer to your armor. Using a polite language is only like painting flowers
on that armor.
The above was love - as it flows out of me.
This is my expression. Wether a person is true or fake
is her/his problem. But when I feel to say something about
it, why should I hold back? I'm not a fakir, trying to attain
holiness by supressing my psychosomatic system.
For example many westeners are not used to the fact
that in India it is neccessary to use the road-sides for
a public toilet, they usually get shocked, when they
observe it for the first time. Now imagine, you want to
piss, while a group of Westeners is nearby. What to do?
Suppress or relieve? Torture yourself or shock the ego
of the others?
An Indian Saint is said to become enlightened by totally
holding back his urine for 7 days. And when he let loose
- then - aaaah - enlightenment happend.
Message #25466 of 31752
not. not. not. not. thank you. yes. no excuse me. you lout.
Am Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 12:55 schrieb hans:
> --- In , Kabir <michael@...> wrote:
> > Yes.
>
> Ah, you cann't be that bored.
> Or are you also speaking in NAD? :-)
If you had ever played Bridge, you would have better manners.
In Bridge tournament games, it is not allowed to ask an opponent
what his bid meant. Yet it is allowed to ask the partner of the bidder
what the bid meant.
So go and ask Onitamo, she knows.
And learn the words "excuse me", you lout.
Who is to bid next?
Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:12 pm
Message #25464 of 31752
Re: A grain of explanation to Kabir: not, not,not, not. thank you
Am Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 08:52 schrieb hans:
> --- In , Kabir <michael@...> wrote:
> > Ais dammo sannantano!
>
> What does that mean?
> Please do not call.
> Please do not write.
> Please do not email.
> Thank you.
Yes.
Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:31 am
Message #25457 of 31752
Re: A grain of explanation to Kabir
Am Montag, 13. Februar 2006 23:16 schrieb zora:
> [:))] [:))] [:))]
> interesting how master Ivan and Kabir have something common - to
> criticize Osho ..
This is a gross misunderstanding, Onitamo.
I criticize after deep personal experiences,
thorough deconditioning and analysis.
Ivan simply rejects.
I would never say, that Bhagwan/Osho
did not help enlightenment to happen to some of
his disciples; I've met one or the other.
I would also not say that Bhagwan/Osho was not an
exceptional spiritual master - he was a great one.
He helped some hundred(?) to follow their Inner Masters
and he brought hundredthousands to that point of
spiritual slavery and despair, where they finally could have
been ready to start their own journey into themselves.
Yet towards those of his disciples, who have not yet started
(i.e. who still call themselves Neo-Sannyasins), some
clarification about Osho's teaching-methods is appropriate.
> and they criticize each other...
Anybody not brain-dead must object against such a lousy
master-imitation as Ivan plays to be. Probably he does it
only to get beaten some day by his "disciples". Bad Karma...
> maybe word criticize is not right..maybe it is better to say --don't
> agree.
For agreement or disagreement I would have needed to read
Ivan first. But one spoonfull of an oversalted soup is enough
to get an idea, what the remaining soup might be like.
> maybe one 'enlightend' cannot stand another 'enlightend'...
> just my 'unenlightend' observation..
I'm not enlightened. And you follow the old witch-techniques,
playing inocent while seeding controversy. Don't misunderstand
me here: for me "witch" means "wise woman". Yet witches
are not at all a problem for a grown-up wizard. Try it. :)
But stop playing (only). There is more to "it", than just drinking tea
and eating ginger-cookies, while leisurely exchanging emails about it.
Ais dammo sannantano!
Kabir
Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:15 am
Message #25453 of 31752
Hi N0by, how are you doing?
You know, this Subject-Line of the list starting with [°-:)]
contains unprintable Characters in some character sets.
Hence it's a constant provocation.
For my feeling it's one of the many reasons, why sometimes
the members of the groups are sooo angry and hatefull.
And as well pushy and ambitious - they express themselves,
but every time, your Subject-String is before theirs.
It's like as if you would allways put a
[Noby is the Most Important] in front of any posting.
No wonder that their subconscious is trying to superordinate
themselves above you with all kinds of children's techniques
(like monologic multiposting or SHOUTING or extremely long
quoting of someone they think is superior, etc).
I think, best would be not to use any Subject-Prefix at all -
that way the ambience in the group could become a little
more loving and respectful, don't you think you? Each member
is then getting it's own space to express her/himself - at least in
the Subject-line.
Allways stay pure to your message of Love, my friend.
Yours without wax
Kabir
Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:59 pm
Message #25452 of 31752
Re: A grain of explanation to Kabir
Am Montag, 13. Februar 2006 19:14 schrieb damarijan:
> Why are you ignoring Master Ivan's essey about Truth & lies, Kabir?
> I put it here for you, after Master Ivan's suggestion. You can learn
> on it. Its much more useful than your superficial Osho-reminding.
Oh, DamischIvan, I was not even aware, that Ivan said something
about truth and lies. Sorry if that frustrated you, but is not each
frustration a step closer to the Here-and-Now? Don't take it
personally, yes, Darling?
> Osho himself was superficial - that is the reason of yours and
> Onitamo's constant suffering, said Master Ivan to me yesterday
> evening.
Yes, very interesting, tell us more about your evenings (and mornings
and days and nights), should you please it. Just remember: I'm old,
my eyes are not soo good, hence I've problems reading much.
So pictures would be greatest for me - a picture says more than a
thousand words, right?
Yet, regarding Onitamos's suffering, I'm having my own ideas...
With kind regards
Kabir
Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:36 pm
Message #25437 of 31752
Hi noby Ozays says thanks to you
A grain of explanation
Truth cannot be taught.
Reality cannot be achieved.
Hence the phrase "teacher of truth"
is a lie
- one of the bigger ones by the way,
comparable perhaps with
"he achieved enlightenment".
Why not a teacher of enlightenment -
that would be easier, it's more seldom?
And you don't have to deliver anything?
And can lie to your heart's content?
See Osho.
Teaching enlightenment is easy:
If you switch it on,
it's on.
If you switch it off,
it's off.
If you switch it on
and it's off,
then it's awfull,
and the bulb is broken,
or the bill wasn't paid,
or truth did fail the
electricity class.
Kabir
--
I'm a teacher of lies,
my cat is a teacher of mice.
I achieved to be born,
am now totally worn
- that's not very nice!
Hope, I'll achieve death
some day, because my cat hates
the undead, it allways miows
when undead are eating
the cat-meat. And I hate
cat-meat, as an undead I would
prefer biting some virgins.
Yet, where to get the virgins
from, nowaydays? Hence I would
rather be dead than going on
a virgin-deficit diet.
Only the unborn is not
touched by this chaos.
Last sentence was a lie:
the unborn is laughing
it's ass off.
Can - please - somebody
teach my truth not to
laugh about me that often?
Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:00 am
Message #25436 of 31752
Re: Hi Ozays Kabir says thanks to you, too
--- "Ozay Rinpoche" <ABC_Enlightenment@...> wrote:
> Take lots of care, maybe Rasa can start another war somewhere and we
> can have fun and get to know each other more lol.
I'm allready having a lot of fun with you, Ozay.
I was sooo bored and had a look at this list, when I stumbled
over your message and looked at you Yahoo-profile. What did I see?
A TEACHER OF TRUTH !!!
Whow! Whoaoh! Whoooaaaaooohh!
How could I ever make it without some!
How could we all make it without one?
The sun would not rise in the east,
the water wouldn't boil at 100 degrees centigrade,
truth would simply not make it into life without a decent
education.
HAHAHAHAHA!
And all the people - these liars, cheaters, tricksters -
you will have a lot to do, especially in the N0by list,
that's a real large school of yours. All need to be taught
some truth.
For Hans I would suggest the truth:
1 + 1 = 2
Kabir is ready for:
2 - 1 = 1
or even for (?):
1 - 1 = 0.01
Noby of course needs to look into the face of:
500 * 0 = 0
Aaaah, the truth is there, finally.
Relief.
You saved my evening.
Thank you
Kabir
Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:14 am
Message #25350 of 31752
to critisize what? look for yourselves/another blog
First look "into" yourself before you do anything "for" yourself.
Another quote - even more to the target:
As long as we are in a list, where the most "provocative characters"
don't dare (or don't have enough guts) to show their faces and tell
their real names, we better look at ourselves first.
As long as we need "masters" in all forms (from political to spiritual to
websites to quote from etc. etc. etc) to know what to do and what to
say, we better keep quiet about any sort of "freedom"-rubbish (may
it be with words or with weapons).
As long as we choose/vote/tolerate any kind of idot as our master
(of any form), we better clean our own pampers first before creating
new shit (in this list and elsewhere).
Kabir
Wed Feb 8, 2006 3:48 pm
Message #25345 of 31752
The complex and the simple
Thanks, N0by for the quote of 'Everyone Is Afraid to Criticize Islam'
from the Spiegel newspaper.
As ususal, the roots of the problem go deeper, than Spiegel wants to
admit. Spiegel is making a lot of money with outside-oriented people.
Readers , ad-placing companies, editors - all are interested in the outside.
Of course, turning around and looking only at the inside, like it is often
tried (and seldom achieved) in the spiritual circus, is also not a complete
picture of the situation.
An integrated view is neccessary - both political/material as well as
individual/non-material, both short-timed as well as taking the long-
time developments into account, both global as well as seeing the national
differences.
This is not only a controversy between freedom of speech on one side
and intolerance and agression on the other. It is a controversy within
man himself, it is a global encounter group, which tries to bring deeper
understanding into each member of the group. And as usual in an encounter
group, one should not forget to look into himself: how do I feel with it?
Do I allow myself to express everything I want to express?
Am I getting angry, when my prejudices are made fun of?
I've just been at the ARGE, a subsidary of the social assistance office.
I felt to be right, the official feeled right. I argued, she argued.
Bang - bang - boom - tschack.
Very difficult for me to stay calm in such a situation. She has the
power, I feel helpless. And then this immense anger and hate in
me, when I feel treated injust, when I feel supressed, unfree.
Yet, I have created this situation. I want to fight, I want to feel my anger,
and she is a good petty tyrant for that - not the tyrant, you are thinking of,
Dufuss, but the "petty tyrant" which Castaneda described so beautifully,
but when I think about it, perhaps both sorts of tyrant somehow have
similiar functions.
Kabir
Wed Feb 8, 2006 12:08 pm
Message #25364 of 31753
Re: [°-:)] New file uploaded to n0by
> File : /AA - Temporarily Files/MASTER Ivan LIKE Us.rm
> Uploaded by : veetthomas <veetthomas@yahoo.de>
Thanks for the movie, but I doubt that Ivan is bald.
I don't think, anybody in former life ever took his scalp
- too worthless for even the most stupid Indian
or Frenchman.
Wed Feb 8, 2006 10:11 pm
Message #25363 of 31753
Hans Glans & Shapiro Stillmindstein
Am Mittwoch, 8. Februar 2006 20:58 schrieb damarijan:
> Hi, Living Kabir?
Hi
> Why do you call yourself "Living"? Something must be in that?
That was part of the first spiritual name I got - from Osho.
When I decided to use "Kabir" for an Yahoo ID, this ID was
allready occupied (naturally), so I had to think about a discriminative
pre- or postfix. I thought about in what points I was different to
the Poet Kabir. "young" - no to old for that. "German" - ugh (although
there are great German poets - but how does "kabir_german" look like).
Hence I came up with living, which is also a reminder of the quality
of my Sannyas name and thus bridging the two phases of my life.
> Have you every seen The "Living" master Ivan?
No, he's even not showing fotos of himself -- as you avoid also.
Probably you both are too beautiful for our mundane eyes -
thank you for taking care about my weak eyes.
> When you meet him "living" (life), you will know why I call him
> "master".
What I do know NOW is:
You did escape my questions.
You still seem to "invite" me somehow into his sphere of
personal influence. Probably on order of Ivan.
How stupid you two are, and how insensitive.
Ivan is totally lacking essential master-qualities (regarding
my definition of a master). Probably he is not even a teacher,
just somebody with a big mouth, and some Kundalini-tricks
(as he needs personal contact). The Masters I know, could
make contact over the distance, knew how I was feeling without
contacting me in any "normal" way, gave me orders to come
to them or to contact them "just like that" without any phone
or email or letter or messenger needed. Or if they wrote a letter
or email, they transported Energy with it - between the lines.
Why is Ivan not doing that, if he wants to see me?
Why is my soul not telling me to go and see him,
if it was wanted by the flow of life?
And if it was not wanted by the flow of life,
why is Ivan not in that flow, if he is "enlightened"?
Obviously he is just on a lets-gather-as-much-disciples-as-i-can
power trip.
The Masters I know, don't even call themselves "enlightened", BTW.
<smile> They don't need that. </smile>
As Ivan is not even getting it, that I don't need him at all,
he is probably not flowing with the Tao and he is certainly
not allowed by the Tao to teach.
The Tao brings disciples and teachers together - not the ego
of the would-like-to-be-master or the ego of the
lets-take-the-loudest-master-disciple.
You both are fake as can be. And not very good at it.
But keep on going. I enjoy a good "subject"-line,
even it is misspelled here and there.
Mein Engelisch ist also not werry komplett.
Kabir
Wed Feb 8, 2006 10:05 pm
Message #25352 of 31753
Re: [°-:)] Hans Glans & Sheepero Stillmindstein
Am Mittwoch, 8. Februar 2006 14:41 schrieb damarijan:
> I am so perplex out of what ground you try to discuss with one
> living master -like master Ivan.
Excuse - I don't want to interfere with your discussion with Hans,
it just occured to me, that I am curious about:
why do you call him "master",
i.e. how do you know by yourself?
You know what I mean, yes?
E.g. if he hadn't told himself a "master",
how would you think about him?
And, aeh, of course, yes, well,
what is a master for you?
I mean besides saying "Ivan" - you know?
What does the word mean for you,
or what do you want it to mean for us,
when you use it?
Thank you for your kind answer.
Kabir
Wed Feb 8, 2006 5:30 pm
~ Silent stage at n0by's ~ Enjoy ~
Am Mittwoch, 8. Februar 2006 09:31 schrieb veetthomas:
> ~ ~
> ~ ~ ~
> as above
> so below ~
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Wherever,
but obviously not in you.
Wed Feb 8, 2006 11:32 am
Message #25311 of 31752
Re: [°-:)] To STARVING KABIR
Am Montag, 6. Februar 2006 15:52 schrieb damarijan:
> You are invited as a honor gest, says Master Ivan
To the place, which is of value to me,
I was allready invited 62 years ago.
And I don't need more than one invitation
or any other place to go to now, except to
were I am now.
If you feel like it, you may tell him,
that I'm allready following his master.
But, of course, FOLLOW YOUR FEELINGS.
;)
Kabir
--
With 111.1 kg the strongest
starving man on earth.
Mon Feb 6, 2006 8:11 pm
Message #25295 of 31752
Re: [°-:)] Re: Questioner: So, it happened to you? / Tip for Mastel Emil Likeyou
Am Montag, 6. Februar 2006 14:55 schrieb veetthomas:
> Hans wrote:
> > You know that there is something different about
> > U.G. Krishnamurti when you read the disclaimer on
> > the first page of his book, "Mind is a Myth":
> >
> > My teaching, if that is the word you want to
> > use, has no copyright. [...]
>
> Great ! Yes ...
>
> I liked that too, that difference
> to the copyright of the Osho trademark,
Naturally, Tom, because you are yourself a copy
from head to toe.
But individuality cannot be copied,
it has a holy copy protection.
Enjoy your life!
Aeh, sorry, correct:
Enjoy the life of others.
Kabir
Mon Feb 6, 2006 3:25 pm
Message #25294 of 31752
How to avoid the unavoidable
Am Montag, 6. Februar 2006 14:43 schrieb veetthomas:
> Kabir wrote:
> ... >
>
> > > > In addition : did you recognize, that U.G. has something
> > > > in common with Karl? Something you seem to be
> > > > fascinated about, IMO, but in which I'm not interested
> > > > at all, BTW.
> > > > Ka
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Hi Ka
>
> I googled about Jnana
> hmmmmm ...
>
> What you ask about Karl an U.G. :
> Go and see Karl, when he is in munich
> and find out - about yourself then ...
> please tell me later then ...
Thank you, a) I'm grown up and can decide for myself,
and b) telling you anything is a waste of time and energy.
But perhaps you can be used as a bad example...
> About U.G. and Karl:
> Both have no masters, they happened to
> get drawn into that state, where the
> answers are to dissolve...
Yes, one could say so.
> In the beginning they were doing the
> stuff, we all still do (except Ka maybe)
> That means they were trying to get IT,
> which did not work.
Bullshit.
> They belong to that advaita scene reaching
> back to Ramana - yes, Karl also uses that
> system of thinking the unthinkable ...
Even more bullshit.
> They are both helpless to give IT, because,
> as they say: we already have IT - are IT.
blah blah
> So I realized what the difference to a
> master is - He knows the same thing, but
> goes beyond it and helps you to get IT.
> That may be a classical difference between
> Teachers and the master ...
You are realizing nothing but your own
prejudices, dreams and (finally) fear.
> But the salt is the same - only the master
> becomes that wave - poor boy me is still
> thinking to be thirsty for that water.
same as above.
You did not at all pick up my comment, that
what UG and Karl have in common, is something,
which is highly attractive for you.
You talk about others as if you knew them,
but you obviously don't know your own self.
And I get the strong impression, that
YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW YOURSELF.
But then, man, you did choose the wrong
company since you accepted to be given Sannyas.
THIS GAME IS ABOUT KNOWING YOURSELF,
DIDN'T THEY TELL YOU ?????????
OK, folks, a short interruption for our sponsor:
---------- [holy priority message] ----------
===> KNOW THYSELF OR DIE ! <===
------------- [end of message] -------------
No wonder that you are unsatisfied in your life,
you dream about Peking and you insist of not
going there. First you book Sannyas and then
you avoid yourself. For how long by now? 25 years?
Our group slave is 100 times more intelligent than you,
VeetIntelligence, because he goes for what he wants.
Kabir
Mon Feb 6, 2006 3:21 pm
Message #25279 of 31752
Re: U.G. here mentiones Osho naming him 'the joker'
Hi Tweety,
U.G. is 100% Jnana, that's why you and I like to listen to him -
he is an energetical gestalt-mirror for us.
In addition : did you recognize, that U.G. has something
in common with Karl? Something you seem to be
fascinated about, IMO, but in which I'm not interested
at all, BTW.
Ka
Sun Feb 5, 2006 4:09 am
Message #25267 of 31752
Re: Pimp my Twinkle
--- "twinklestarbeams" <twinklestarbeams@...> wrote:
> So glad it offered you an opportunity to be anti-social.
Not at all, dear Twinkle,
it gave me an apportunity to share.
In my more antisocial phase I would have
expressed a little differently. :)
But let me try:
May you get all what you want.
You don't have anything else anyway.
That was the most antisocial I could
manage at the moment for you.
Now satisfied?
Kabir
Sun Feb 5, 2006 5:23 pm
Message #25258 of 31752
Pimp my brain
--- "twinklestarbeams" <twinklestarbeams@...> wrote:
>
> I guess the stage in reference begs the question, what does it mean
> to be anti-social?
>
> It makes perfect sense to me that this would be part of the process
> in resolving the first chakra issues of "breaking away from the
> tribe." It is not unlike a child discovering (cathartic
realization)
> that they are separate from mother/father learning that they have
> choices and control over their own bowel functions (anal stage).
> When these don't agree with mother/father a struggle ensues ...
> hence the terrible two's. Hence, a child thwarted in these first
> meager steps towards individuality will become stagnant and growth
> will be stunted.
>
> Twink...
Twinkle,
what do yo call this posting of yours?
The result of thinking? I mean: THINKING
Or just t...h..i..n..k...p..a..u..s..e...a..e..h.. ?
When the bioenergy is blocked, the whole nervuous system
goes into power-save mode. It slows down, only the easiest
and most simple processes continue, working on pre-computed
action-response patterns for example, reacting automatic.
The lower, the slower.
The lower, the sleepier.
The lower, the more unconscious.
When these blocks remain over an extended period
of - say - thirty or more years, the whole natural
development is hindered. Humans remain childs,
typically with an inner reality of a child in the age
when the blocks began severely. Grown-up adult with
the brain of a three to six year old. At most.
That is so, because the nervuous systems needs the
most energy of all human systems. For example the
brain (which is just one part of the whole nervuous
system) - http://www.acnp.org/g4/gn401000064/CH064.HTML
"Although the brain represents only 2% of the
body weight, it receives 15% of the cardiac output,
20% of total body oxygen consumption, and 25% of
total body glucose utilization. "
Hence the nervuous system is the first to suffer from
a reduced metabolic rate. As the society teaches it's
children not to jump around, to be silent and obidient
(hello slaves!), to express only extremely reduced
emotions etc., we can observe great reductions in
the mobility of the body - typically at about the age
of three, latest at six. Every primary school teacher
knows (I was married with one), the first year in school
is mainly teaching to sit still.
At the same time society teaches to use the brain,
mainly the liguistic thinking instead of the body.
But at that time, the brain being the most complex
body-system is allready reduced to a much lower
percentage of his energy-needs than (say) the buttocks.
The results are powerless, unimaginative, automatic
thinkers - perfect society slaves with even the most
trained function of their brain (the thinking) running
below the 10% level (lookup the Einstein-quotes for
yourself). And the following twenty years of education
(in the case of an academic education) burn in this pattern.
Finally we are living between the 2% and 5% level of
our possibilities, and whenever a new idea is presented
to our powerless brain, the only thing we can think about
is the learned academic automatic impulse of "please
define xyz". That way we reject anything, which might overload
our (reduced) capacity and gain time to think about it
(in the snail speed our system can still handle).
Thinking is a 240 Baud teletyper.
At the moment I am connected through
a 2,4 Mb DSL line with the cosmos.
Upgrade to 1000Mb is on the way.
Man what should I define?
Even a download of a simple Graphic
cannot be handled by your system.
But let me try anyway.
The following is a picture of your Buddha
after waking up, when her prison guard
namely you) just brought her the breakfast
and asked "would you like to sleep another
35 years, darling?"
http://ic1.deviantart.com/fs9/p/2006/034/3/3d73e65012c7f564.jpg
Unsocial behaviour? I would say so ;D
Thank goodness, finally some unsocial behaviour!
God speed you!
Kabir
Sun Feb 5, 2006 2:09 pm
Message #25252 of 31752
Re: "...Out of nowhere..this cloudburst" / inburst
--- "hans" <hans_vandergugten@...> wrote:
> ... (ah, kabir is softening ...
I certainly pointed at it a lot of times allready,
but this is a good chance to repeat myself again. ;)
Natural development into the direction of freedom
allways begins with a neccessary phase of anti-social
behaviour. Some people remain stuck in that phase,
many others don't even dare to become anti-social
ever, others escape into forms of "allowed" somewhat
asocial activities (like the freedom of the artist
or shouting in some email groups).
This anti-social attitude is created by the anti-social
person himself (wether aware of it or not is another
question). The awaking Buddha is throwing teacups
and glasses with orange juice around him and occassionally
even some piece of butter with a knife in it - or the knife
alone. And Buddhas are fast and with good timing and aim.
Buddhas use catharsis to cleanse themselve and their friends.
They become more quiet only after that - many years afterwards.
Only pseudo persons pretend to be quiet and peaceful from the
beginning. Catharsis is a must. That's why the old monasteries
have so big walls around them ;) Zen-people by the way even have
a word for it: Zen Madness.
Yet of course, hysteria or temper tantrums are not catharsis,
so these explanations must be taken with a grain of salt and
a lot of awareness and sensitivity in situations and towards
the persons at hand.
As I know that you speak German, let me quote from a German
book without translation.
Michael Barnett in "Ferien in Teufels Küche",
ISBN 3-89304-330-6, Seite 62 :
"[...] mit sogenannten spirituellen Leuten zusammen zu sein,
macht es nicht viel leichter, aber ein bißchen. Es wird
leichter verziehen, wenn man unsozial ist. [...]"
He is saying, that being unsocial is part of the development.
Indirectly saying it, yes, but being indirect and giving
hints only instead of direct information is Michael Barnett's
way of acting (at least now and in public, I assume).
Kabir
Sun Feb 5, 2006 11:57 am
Message #25246 of 31752
[°-:)] Re: [°-:)] God Bless The Fire Dog, An Alchemical Process
--- dufuss wahoo <dufussx@...> wrote:
>
> I will do better at this,
> thanks for bringing it to my attention, dufussx
You have not been addressed.
SHUT UP, SLAVE!
Sun Feb 5, 2006 10:35 am
Message #25244 of 31752
Re: sify worm
--- "hello_jeeva" <hello_jeeva@...> wrote:
> Kudos to Computer Genius Kabir.
No kudos needed, not at all; we are both learners.
> Again I reported to ipadmin@... providing all necessary
> details.Also I located the SIFY center in Chennai and registered a
> complaint regarding this.We need to wait still remedial actions
> are taken by them.
Thanks. Yesterday I also send a mail to the Sify.net administrator
who is responsible for an abuse/misuse of a computer.
But at that time, Sify.net seemed to have started allready some
action on behalf of 221.134.244.230, because the machine
was allready firewalled off the net completely.
And shortly afterwards the machine was taken down.
So I assume, it was your complaint as well as mine
perhaps and as well as perhaps all the other complaints
which must have reached them. I did not get any answer
from the Sify.net admin, but they took the machine down,
and that's enough for us, isn't it?
BTW, if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.
Jivano
Sun Feb 5, 2006 10:14 am
Message #25230 of 31752
Re: fight the worms
--- "Pavitro" <singsang@...> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> as the worms are still with us,
Have not seen any, since the sify.net machine
was taken down today.
Yet - thanks for the Symantec link.
Michael
Sun Feb 5, 2006 2:54 am
Message #25219 of 31754
Re: [°-:)] message 25202
Am Samstag, 4. Februar 2006 17:13 schrieb swsuviro:
> just to let you know folks,
>
> message 25202 was not send by me ...
I know and you know and N0by is playing
his virus doctor games. What's the problem?
Have you ever seen "Night on Earth"?
liked it.
Sat Feb 4, 2006 6:10 pm
Message #25218 of 31754
Alonso Quixano fighting against deadly worms
N0by said:
> On grounds of ongoing virus/worm-attacks on
> our group-gathering these following adresses
> are for now under ''moderation'' - and
> will be free again, when virus/worm attack stop:
You silence the victims. Well, that's also
a technique to create peace.
Noby, wake up.
You are giving up your principles for nothing
just because of fear. Or just because you
cannot bear the feeling of helpnessless.
Michael
Sat Feb 4, 2006 6:00 pm
Info: Virus-Spammer 221.134.244.230 was just taken down by sify.net
Message #25214 of 31754
Sat Feb 4, 2006 4:58 pm
Message #25213 of 31754
Re: [°-:)] God Bless The Fire Dog, An Alchemical Process
Bob, have you observed:
you tend to double click on the SEND button.
I mean: if you care, what you are doing.
Greetings
Michael
Sat Feb 4, 2006 4:40 pm
Message #25208 of 31754
Re: [°-:)] Easy writing, easy listening. A stolen text on quoting,
Thanks, Hans,
while reading it, whenever it said "Emerson this or Emerson that"
I had an echo in my head, which asked:
"And what are Lake and Palmer saying about it?"
It's a pity you quoted only from 1/3 EL&P. Especially as the
other 2/3 must have been more intelligent, 'cause you couldn't
steal from L&P that easily.
Please try to get them to the microphon, too.
I trust in you.
After all you are our best infotainment-thief,
aren't you?
Sat Feb 4, 2006 3:21 pm
Message #25201 of 31754
Re: [°-:)] Re: The words of Master Ivan about Gurdjieff / who are they?
Am Samstag, 4. Februar 2006 11:21 schrieb hans_vandergugten:
> --- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "damarijan" <damarijan@...> wrote:
> > "Liberation is the absence of the very idea of liberation" itself."
>
> (These are the words of master Ivan about liberation)
>
>
> Said one prisoner to the other:
> Freedom is the absence of the very idea of freedom itself.
Wether you or damische-ivan-copy is a prisoner is yours
to decide (each for himself, I suggest). And that Ivan twisted
the sentence and meaning to provoke opposition is also
nothing I would argue much about. After all, Ivan is still
knee-deep in his own shit, so that his soul needs all the
opposition she can get, to clean Ivan from his egoistic,
egocentric and megalomaniac dreams. That's why he is
acting as he is, I think.
But the fact remains, IMO, that the so called search for liberation,
the modern spirituality, is a flowering of the prison guard --
or of the very idea of prison itself. Yet this idea is taken away
only, when we don't need it any longer. We cannot make it
go away.
Hence Ivan is not really trying to change "his" disciples or trying
to change us thru them. He is simply trying to create hits on
their and our ego, because he (perhaps) knows by now, that
after having received enough beatings, the soul withdraws another
veil from our eyes. At least the above would be Ivans motives if
he was intelligent and aware, IMO.
Greetings
Kabir
--
There are no walls, there is only us having split ourselves
into prisoners and prison guards. Probably, because we
wanted to experience suffering - which is our birthright.
A masters job is not to liberate you - that can be done
only by yourself. A masters job is to connect you to your
Inner Master, the Sadguru, the Beloved, and make you trust
the Sadguru without wax. Then the Sadguru can create
as much beating as you need to balance your karma in
as few lifetimes as possible.
You can do nothing about it, because you are the creator
of karma, you went into this prison on your own and free
decision (probably to balance your karma, perhaps also to
experience suffering) and you are yourself the only prison
guard in the dark castle whose walls are only made out of
veils and shadows. That you cannot see it, is a prerequisite
for the balancing/suffering (and a doing of your own Buddha).
So you will hear my words,
but don't really feel the truth in them,
except deep down where you smile.
I'm telling you all that anyway -
probably because I'm a born sadist. :))
Sat Feb 4, 2006 12:35 pm
Message #25183 of 31754
Re: homosexuality or heterosexuality --> it is all the same neurosis
--- "James Wyly" <wylyjames@...> wrote:
> Knowledge does not come to us by organizational details,
> but by way of Light from Heaven!
An essential prerequisite of clear sight and clear thinking
is to use the "right" word for something, i.e. those words
which come closest to the reality to be expressed and at the
same time as close as possible to the reality of the recipient.
That's a dance, an art.
As each word is connected to every other word in all kinds
of relationships (synonym, homonym, oposite, similar feeling,
similar experiences and and and) this art is not a "catch all
what is connected", but often an artful deliberate "leave out
what is irrelevant or misleading".
To use the words "Heaven" and "God" would be misleading for
me, not because they are not true for me in my sense, but because
they are so heavily misused in our Christian past. In most people
they are connected to all kinds of believes, induced guilt,
bad experiences, oppressive education and morale. Personally
I feel a little more free with the word "God", and I may use
it in my private realm, because I broke with the church when
I was legally allowed to do so on my own decision (age 14 in Germany),
but even on an agnostic ground "God" and "Heaven" have some
linguistic and hence conciousnees-manipulating implications,
which don't fit into my personal experience.
"God" is immediatedly and subconsciously understood as a person.
"God" and "Heaven" bring with them the opposites "Devil" and "Hell".
Hence when one uses these words, one is at war allready.
When one "hears" the "words of God", one thinks, that God
says the same things to other humans also (as the idea of
a personality implies some sort of consistency).
Rasa von Werder is an excellent example for this.
With Gurdjieff it's different. He is using words to destroy
as much fixed inner connections as he can. As I would call
it, he is using language to destroy the fixedness of the mind.
Yet at the same time, he needs to keep the interest of the
reader; he cannot just destroy the mindsets, or else the mindsets
would react too strongly and take the body away from the verbal
scalpell. So he gives another mindset as a replacement, a mindset
which can much more easily "be opened" than the social one.
Gurdjieff gives mindsets with built-in "breaking points".
While he was alife and present, that was not a problem; Gurdjieff
could decide, when to break, when and how to correct, personal
cnnections and experiences were there enough. For example when a
disciple was experiencing something, G. could say:
"that's the fourth way" and this disciple would connect the
experience with the terminus while others still understood
something totally different.
In other words: there was a lot of non-verbal communication in
addition (and often even in opposition) to the verbal messages.
Just reading the books nowadays, without the personal interpretation
and correction by Gurdjieff, is a different situation. The breaking
points are still created by the books, but the experiences may be
incomplete and the integrative as well as corrective actions by
Gurdjieff are missing.
> Depth means "behind the scenes." It is precisely this that the
> fourth way directs our attention. The fourth way directs our
> attention to Real "I" behind the inexplicability of all of our other
> ordinarly life-of-itself "I"'s on the surface of the personality.
> Behind Real "I" lies God.
If that's what you got out from the fourth way, I can only agree.
But then you say:
> [...] The fourth way is a system of organization of ideas [...]
No, that's not. Ideas are not the real.
That's were I call you a book-worm, with all respect.
Use as many words as you want - the real thing is something
different. Words may point to it, but they may well
be misunderstood. That doesn't mean that the reality
wasn't there - no, it's allways there, behind the ideas,
between the thoughts. Yet thoughts are not reality,
they are only a tiny part of it, not seldom thoughts are
out of contact with reality - this freedom is their beauty
and biological function.
> "But even the clearest understanding of his possibilities
> will not bring man any nearer to their realization.
> In order to realize these possibilities he must have a very
> strong desire for liberation and be willing to sacrifice
> everything, to risk everything, for the sake of
> this liberation." --Gurdjieff, page 61
YES. ABSOLUTELY YES.
Are you ready to sacrifice your books, believes, knowledges
and religion? And don't cheat. You cannot betray your real core.
You cannot betray your Self.
enough for me at the moment
Michael
Sat Feb 4, 2006 7:05 am
Message #25171 of 31754
Re: [°-:)] Under command of Rasa? --> What can "degenerates" and "rejects" admit
to?
Hi James,
you obviously type faster than I do with my two-finger technique,
which I prefer by the way, because I can think while I type,
hope we understand each other anyway (and hope you think
while you type, too). While I'm reading your text, I'm even a
lot slower, cause I have to look up words in the dictionary
- which is not to mean that you should change your language,
as I like to improve my English, which is in my opinion "the language
of the spirits", i.e. the language which is going to be used in
the times to come, when the younger souls have left for deep
cleansing (of which I hope(?) am one).
> [...] as though he were one of those "few" of us, who, by
> the way, "choose" ourselves to be the eyes and ears of our Common
> Father in Heaven,
Well, some even "choose" to be heart.
>[...] exact science, more exact
> than our so-called "modern physics," known as "psychology", [...]
That doe not mean, it cannot improve, as in fact this science Gurdjieff
was using had made some important develeopments - though perhaps
unknown in the US, because much of it was published in Germany.
But no need to feel inferior - some students are allready preparing
to bring these improvements to and revive the ancient art in the States
also -- and not only revive it, but bring it to blossom (how would you
express that in correct English, please?).
> demonstrated yet again, as I have, that not only was homosexuality a
> scourge in Russia, but also in France, and, to this day, a scourge
> that is prevalent among the beings of ALL the European communities
> and, unfortunately, like the sparrows along with the many forms
> of "indigestible" diseases, indigestible in the sense of what is
> abnormal to the way of life of any normal and sane man, such
> sparrows as that which were first transported to America by the
> British in the process of delivering many so- called "criminals"
> and "degenerates" and "rejects" who later became the foundation
> stones, or "Founding Fathers," of America, and, by the way, this was
> also true for Australia on which continent exists to this day the
> permanent presence of sparrows and who were also, at the time of
> their arising into an independent nation, independent of Britain,
> although this nation of "new arising" did not come to birth until
> much later than America, but, nevertheless, they also began
> as "rejects" and "upstarts" who were tossed so handily into supposed
> obscurity to these various "other" parts of the world during the
> days when the British wanted to make the whole world England, but
> not in their backyard!!
I don't mind, should you feel homosexual or rejected or insulted
by being called "degenerated" or whatever.
By the way, I hope it's clear to you, if I take everything you quote,
as if it came from you personally. After all you are the one
to chose what to quote and from whom and in what context,
and that way I don't have to discriminate between a G-thought
or a J-thought etc.
> Gurdjieff was well aware of this because he was there!
He was heavily drunken most of the time, let's not forget that ;)
> But with regard to the "something" that is now "oozing" in the form
> of agitated reactions to these posts of mine, such agitation that
> has pervaded the whole system animating of my own feelings, and all
> of this in the face of reactive animosity toward me [...]
Not my observation. As far as I can see (which is not very far, but for me
it's 100%) I was the only one reacting to your posts, and after the
initial aversion against that many posts (and - I admit - in fear of
being flooded again) I pretty soon realized you behind the posts
(your yahoo-profile with the foto was a help for me) and don't feel
animosity towards you now. Hence if you feel that, it's not coming from me,
but (I think) rather an expectation in you.
> which must
> necessarily arise in the reader, most especially including
> those "gay" ones on "parade," my inner life is immediately quieted
> down when I remember, along with Gurdjieff as he has done, the
> ancient Russian proverb that states:
>
> "THERE IS NO OFFENCE WHICH WITH TIME WILL NOT BLOW OVER--TIME GRINDS
> EVERY GRAIN INTO FLOUR"
>
> and which happens to be true according to the same law that was
> discovered by that Great, truly Great American, Henry David Thoreau,
> a favorite of mine since 16 years of age in Virginia when I first
> began to discover a real ability with the writing and the putting
> together of materials necessary for the production of a proper and
> complete research paper which was done masterfully even then as only
> a tech writer can do, when such a Great Individual as this once said:
>
> THERE IS NO ODOR SO BAD AS THAT WHICH ARISES FROM GOODNESS TAINTED.
>
> James Wyly
Yes, but books cannot enter into a dialogue.
Michael
Sat Feb 4, 2006 5:18 am
Message #25161 of 31773
Re: [°-:)] a "something" is beginning to ooze
Never mind, James Worm.
I hope I didn't disturb you.
I asked you a personal question and you answered
with a citation from Gurdjieff.
You are a book worm aren't you?
Just go on chewing your books, James,
I'll put you on my personal filter rules - no problem.
But, perhaps, you should do something regarding your
book-diarrhoea.
Get well soon!
Kabir
Sat Feb 4, 2006 4:15 am
Message #25159 of 31773
Re: [°-:)] Do we have a new worm?
Am Samstag, 4. Februar 2006 03:56 schrieb Kabir:
> Or are you a person, James Wyly?
Oh, sorry, I just saw your yahoo-ID.
May I ask you something?
Your Favorite Quote from your profile is:
Knowledge does not come to us by details,
but in flashes of light from heaven.
-- Henry David Thoreau
Yet you are sending "a lot of detail" into the group. Why?
Following your commander's (Rasa's) orders or was it your idea?
Sat Feb 4, 2006 4:06 am
Message #25156 of 31773
Do we have a new worm?
Or are you a person, James Wyly?
Sat Feb 4, 2006 3:56 am
Message #25106 of 31773
Where have all the masters gone ...
I just learnt a NEW EMOTICON ! WHOW !!
LEARNING !!! EXPANDING YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS !!!!
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "damarijan" <damarijan@...> wrote:
> You even do not know what master Ivan is saying to you personally.
> He is great master with big patint with this tra la la people
> likeyou.
You can kiss my (_|_)
Greetings
Kabir
Fri Feb 3, 2006 11:06 pm
Message #25102 of 31773
Re: [°-:)] Enlightened Detective - JEEVA 007 :-)))
Am Freitag, 3. Februar 2006 19:02 schrieb hello_jeeva:
> 99.9 % of virus messages emanated from Asia Pacific Network Information
> Centre
<Ahem>
> All real messages except one from Brylee-stevens498, a porn interest
> person are posted from the same server.
> Reference:Msg#24522
> Reference:Msg#24467
> Reference:Msg#24443
> Reference:Msg#24421
> Reference:Msg#24417
> Reference:Msg#24388
>
> From IP addresses:
> 210.145.83.207
> 203.240.183.155
> 211.41.195.124
But these messages above are just spam and not the virus.
The virus came in MESSAGE# / from IP
24730 202.156.35.243 StarHub Cable Vision Ltd
24739 202.156.35.243
24747 202.156.35.243
24751 202.156.35.243
24752 202.156.35.243
24776 202.156.35.243
24778 202.156.35.243
24785 221.134.244.51 sify.net
24786 221.134.244.51
24788 221.134.245.92 sify.net
24789 221.134.245.92
24790 221.134.245.92
... and then it goes on and on with sify.net...
24785 happened to be the first one I checked, then
afterwards 100% was sify.net
> It is a great lesson for me.
Great.
> Trusted that friends are telling truth
> when they say 95% of messages are from SIFY.
> Here after I will be more cautious [:-B]
Very good ;)
Why don't _you_ check the messages after 24790 ?
> Every one needs to learn some thing about their own behaviour , how one
> throw responsibility on others,criticizing others,blaming each other
> with out actually knowing the truth
Sure. But I just LOVE to criticize you.
Of course I'm wrong, but in addition
my Buddha is playing to be your petty tyrant
(copyright Castaneda). That's a good
technique to awake, isn't it?
> Any way I will sleep happily Today [:)]
And tomorrow you will continue the true virus statistics,
which I just began, yes? Because you are still wrong
with your Asia Pacific statement. And you won't be
Mam's wrong baby, would you?
Kabir alias Mr. Q
Fri Feb 3, 2006 9:11 pm
Message #25088 of 31773
Are you still blocking any?
Since the energy of Ivan touched the group,
there has not been any worm, or am I wrong?
PEST-CONTROL-IVAN-LIKE-YOU, excuse me
ENLIGHTENED-PEST-CONTROL-IVAN-LIKE-YOU
came and the worms went silent.
WHOW!!!!
Again the old truth is verified: nobody is useless,
one can at least be used as worm-poison.
So finally I recognize, why existence creates enlightened
persons: to get rid of the human pest.
IVAN I LOVE YOU!
It's a shame, that you work only on Croatia.
Why don't you make a world journey thru
Washington, Berlin, Hamburg, Munich etc.
THAT WOULD SAVE THE WORLD.
Fri Feb 3, 2006 6:51 pm
Message #25081 of 31773
Re: [°-:)] Re: U.G. and Osho
Am Freitag, 3. Februar 2006 14:24 schrieb veetthomas:
> Hi Michael,
> (the 'living one')
>
> You won again ...
> and I let you win,
cynicism.
> cause I have no chance,
> and no juice, right now
> to battle with you ...
> ... maybe later on ?
postponing.
> That happens often
> with me, towards you:
>
> With someone in error I
> feel hungry for a battle.
> ... With you, I almost loose
> that energy right away.
big mouth, no teeth?
> But you are hungry
> to battle, or 'train'
> as you used to say ..
> but this is because you
> know, that I am in error,
> so it is easy for you to
> spend energy on this matter.
female technique: trying to create guilt.
> I need some desperate
> energy to start my juices
> rise, to argue with you,
> cause beforehand I know,
> that I can't win !
As if it was about winning.
And as if you knew allready
what you are to timid to find out.
> You got it again, great !
> ... and with this, I have
> also won the tiny quarrel.
you are loosing? winning?
No, you are simply escaping mirrors.
> What a funny thing,
> and I like it !
Your Buddha likes it.
Your ego hates it like Duennschiss.
time is over.
Fri Feb 3, 2006 5:23 pm
Message #25062 of 31773
Re: Regarding Virus prevention
--- "hello_jeeva" <hello_jeeva@...> wrote:
>
> SIFY has allotted a Tracking ID for my report regarding VIRUS.
> Follow up actions will be taken by me.
> However this virus seems to be a wide spread one as per News reports
Responseability means to take responseability for the RESULTS,
not for the actions done (these are done anyway), and not for
the news (those are not in your realm of responseability).
1.) did you give the sify admins all the information they need?
2.) did you check with the admins of the computers you used
(e.g. in the library)?
The Virus-PC
a)
is in your area and
b)
must have been used (or is still being used)
to receive mails from the n0by-list and
c)
a machine which is probably switched on all
the time, because it's IP-address changes seldom.
My best bet is the library you were using.
Or is any other member of the noby group
living in your area, too? Then contact her/him.
Stop posting activity reports or news article
about the virus and get results. You are
nearest to the problem, and in a case of emergency
the man nearest to the problem takes action.
Michael
Fri Feb 3, 2006 9:53 am
Message #25060 of 31773
nOby, you sound like Rasa
--- <n0by4you@...> wrote:
> Isn't this a honour for our group gathering
> to get under International Worm/Virus attack!?
Why don't you go and let the Rasa-people participate
in this honour? Switch off the virus protection on one
of your PCs and when you've "got it" go and subscribe
into the 900 groups Rasa gave to you. Hhhhmmm?
N0by, be TOTAL!
:)
Kabir
Fri Feb 3, 2006 7:36 am
Message #25059 of 31773
Re: U.G. and Osho
--- "veetthomas" <veetthomas@...> wrote:
>
> Osho / U.G. & Jiddu
> Krishnamurti
> ...
> My feeling for U.G. is,
> ... that he is
> in a lower state of what
> we can feel is a true master,
> compared to Osho, of course.
> but U.G. has his own right
> to be whatever !
You must be the Master of Masters
to be able to see that. Terrific!
Tom, you are the Greatest!
> They are very different
> in their attitudes towards
> fellow human beings ...
> their love ...
Or you didn't see their common
attitude.
If someone comes to you with a knife
and some other guy approaches you
with a cigarette in his hand,
you think, the one with the knife
wants to murder you while the other
is just asking for a light?
Don't project your limited vision
upon reality, at least become aware,
that your vision may be limited.
Osho had his clothings full of daggars,
and he wasn't even hiding them.
We didn't want to see them.
> To be selfdoubting again,
> and honest enough,
You self-doubt is not deep enough, Tom.
> I need to say:
> Well, sometimes I feel I
> might know these things, but
> then I find, I better keep
> quiet - because I can't reach
> up to these things, really.
No, no, don't keep quiet! PLEASE!
You are serving as an excellent example!
> I imagine something - but
> I am not of that quality
> yet - don't want to fool
> myself about this - sure
> enough not you too !
No. Again: just go on, try to
fool us as much as you can.
Jnanas need that fight for
their spiritual development. Really.
Just ensure, that you are not
fighting your mental wars with
people against whom you might win.
That's the whole trick - choose
the best opponents available.
Now you know, why a dead master
is of no use. Even a mental cripple
can win against a dead master.
But to loose against a living one ...
aaaahhhhhh!
And prepare for a twenty-year fight - at least.
10 years with the master.
10 years without the master.
That's the Zen rule of thumb.
Kabir
--
Transformation is the basement,
understanding is one of the upper storeys.
If you try to reach transformation
thru understanding, you start your
house with an upper floor. The result
will be an unstable top-savy building
which can only serve as a living place
for ghosts, ideas, illusions and hopes.
Fri Feb 3, 2006 7:25 am
Message #25055 of 31773
U.G. - Analysis?
U.G. Krishnamurti says
* he cannot help
* he is not teaching
* nothing is there to be achieved
* nothing can be done "to get it"
etc.
Yet he makes himself available,
so that people can come to him
and he can talk with them.
Both points seem to be a contradiction.
Hence the question arises: why is U.G.
making himself available to be questioned,
what is he doing in his answers? E.g. what
is the outcome of his talks?
After all, he's travelling aroung the world,
placing himself on a couch and waiting for
the seekers to come to him and question him.
This is a lot of action for something, which
cannot be "made" according to himself. Hence
what is he doing there at all? He says, nothing
could be done, yet he's doing something (or at
least allowing something to happen). What is it?
What is your answer?
Best answer gets one kiss from me.
Second best: two kisses.
Third best: three kisses.
...
Kabir
Fri Feb 3, 2006 6:44 am
Message #25038 of 31773
Re: The Gaze And The Path
> Those who have gone before us can only show the path
There is no one before me and no one behind me on the path.
There is no path. It's just me. I am alone.
That's my universe.
Fri Feb 3, 2006 12:02 am
Message #25037 of 31773
Re: Fwd: Your subscription to n0by has been changed / WHAT, again????
N0by told me tonight, that there is a way to
set the email status to normal" via an email.
And I observed, that a virus-posting under my name
and the change of the status occured pratically at the
same time (within one minute).
Hence I assume, it's the virus.
Gee - great, isn't it?
Thu Feb 2, 2006 11:53 pm
Message #25024 of 31773
Yes, please, I mean YOU, if you are in India at the moment.
Thank you
Thu Feb 2, 2006 2:23 pm
Message #25022 of 31773
Re: A Simple Word
--- "Anna Ruiz" <nli10u@...> wrote:
>
> There is only one simple word
> To life:
>
> .......................................YES.........................
..........
And:
Aha!
NO
perhaps...
do you have a light for my cigarette?
DUNNO
YOUR problem
Have a Coke
cold today, isn't it?
gimme a dime sista
have we not met yesterday at the party?
could I have your number, please?
are you sure, you are pregnant?
I prefer at the moment:
Who am I and why it's allways me?
> Love,
> Ana
You true name is Bob, but you were tired
of coming second in the alphabet, so you
shifted all letters one up the line. Right?
Bob, you are CLEVER!
Thu Feb 2, 2006 2:01 pm
Message #25004 of 31773
Re: Fwd: Your subscription to n0by has been changed / WHAT, again????
--- Hans van der Gugten <hans_vandergugten@...> wrote:
> Last night my son stated that, acccording to him,
> the changes in the
> email mode of n0by group can not be the work of this worm.
I think so, too.
Thu Feb 2, 2006 12:04 am
Message #24999 of 31773
Re: [GMF] 80 Percent worms on our group
--- <n0by4you@y...> wrote:
> Dear Readers,
>
> because of the over-flowing worm-infiltration
> I have changed the group into moderated.
But I don't want to be your "Dear Reader" only,
why can I not be a "Dear Writer" anymore?
When you block me, you have to be quick, to let
my postings thru, also. You are strangling your
own group, N0by. You solve the virus-infection
by killing the baby.
You have the same virus in your mind as Cosmic
Virus has: you don't ask, or if you ask, you
don't ensure, that the computer doctor's advice
is followed.
For example: you didn't ask: "How to check from
whose computer the worms are spreading?" or the like.
Then everybody in the group could have checked
for herself, where the worm-postings came from.
That would've create transparency for the whole
group and for you and for Cosmic Virus also.
This transparency and the resulting group pressure
would have solved the problem within half a day, I think.
My anwer would have been:
1) View the posting on the yahoo-website in your browser
1a) Click on "View Source"
1b) Search for the line staring with "X-Originating-IP:"
eg:
X-Originating-IP: 221.134.244.74
1c) Mark and copy (Ctrl-C) the number-block behind it
eg:
221.134.244.74
2.) Go to http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml
2a) Paste the number-block into the form-field "Numeric IP address"
and click on the button.
2b) You'll get an answer like:
"221.134.244.74 is not listed in bl.spamcop.net"
2c) Click on the link "senderbase lookup"
you get:
Network Owner: Satyam Infoway Pvt.Ltd.
Domain: sify.net
That's the internet service provider (the DSL
service provider) Cosmic Virus is using.
To make sure, that it's Cosmic Virus' computer
you need an original posting from him in the
same time frame (because ISPs are giving new
IP-numbers whenever the connection is closed
an reopened). So go and check the Originating IP
of one of Cosmic Virus' human posts. If IP of
the automated virus posting and og Cosmic Virus'
posting are identical, then you can be sure.
Otherwise the automated virus-sending came only
from somedody using sify.net also.
As you are blocking the virii manually this comparision
cannot only be done by the group for the old postings.
But you can do it for the virus-postings before you delete
them.
regards
Michael
P.S.
Where have you been - I thought we would contact each other
by phone today, or was it tomorrow?
Wed Feb 1, 2006 9:15 pm
Message #24995 of 31773
Re: New mail ID for old mind
--- "hello_jeeva" <hello_jeeva@y...> wrote:
> Dear N0by,
>
> I have terminated cosmic_jeeva mail account to prevent worm messages
> spreading out.I hope this will ensure more safety.
CosmicVirus, you hope? That means you don't know.
But as you don't know (though that is not something
to be proud about, if one is a student of engineering,
or are you not?) - if you don't know, why don't you
follow the suggestions from a professional? N0by
wrote you what to do in this case (I gave him the
information), but up to now you didn't follow my
advice. Instead you play around and following your
personal ideas and hopes.
So you not only too stupid, you are also too proud
to admit it. And too irresponsible to take care,
that the list you are using is not flooded by
virii originating from your computer.
Making fun and arguing is one thing,
destroying the infrastructure of the
commune is another.
> Love,
> Jeeva
What has this behaviour of yours to do with love?
Spiritually you are not the one who is sending the virus,
YOU (your ego, pride, arrogance and ignorance) ARE THE VIRUS.
Just a new mail ID will not change that.
Michael
Wed Feb 1, 2006 5:10 pm
Message #24994 of 31773
100 Percent worms in the group
No, it's 100% Worms.
I call the remaining 20% also worms; they are incapable
of handling a simple virus-situation.
Just enjoy, the worm gave you all the opportunity
to experience how you as a group and as an individual
can handle a challenge.
Except of giving the information what was to do (which I sent
to you, N0by), I didn't interfere, so that you all could
experience the functioning of this group.
Ironically, N0by, you came up with "Moderation for All".
This has some humor in it, don't you think so?
Because a member of the list is unwilling to control
his computer, you are controlling the whole group.
Interesting situation. A lot to learn (if one wants to).
Master Michael
(computer master :)
Wed Feb 1, 2006 5:31 pm
Message #24798 of 31773
Re: Veet's Enlightenment Denial / denial of kabir's q.e.d
--- "hans_vandergugten" <hans_vandergugten@y...> wrote:
> You are saying here that I cannot claim to NOT have
> a broken leg, without having one ar having had one?
My god, Gugindiluften, when will you get it,
that your broken leg is another thing than Toms
broken brain?
When I say something, be aware (1) when and (2) to whom
I speak and (3) about what i speak. What I say and how
I say it is dependant on that. That's because I talk
to individual people and with individual people.
You go to a coffeeshop and start to eat, drink and smoke
everything the others have ordered. And you even sit
on their laps and read the books, newspapers and
loveletters they are reading. Pretty greedy, if you
ask me. A spiritual hunter-gatherer - not very intelligent.
OK, perhaps more intelligent than Rasa, because at least
you read something, but that's all.
With me, it's not important - this list is just a training
camp, but with an awake person in a (say) Satsang you will
immediatedly miss what is being meant and only stuff your
mind with what is being said. A Satsang teacher for example
has twenty, thirty people around him, so it's essential
and imminent to differentiate to whom he is saying what.
For example he says "You have to meditate, sit silently
and watch. Do Dynamic as intense as you can. And don't
forget: any meditation technique will bring you only
to the point, where you see it is valueless."
Now what bullshit is this?
Simple. Just imagine: with each sentence he was looking
at somebody else. In Bhagwan's old tapes one can even hear
it loud and clearly, that he was speaking to different persons
in one sentence. His voice changed. The famous "The Goose is
Out!" lecture is and outstanding example. He shouted
"THE GOOSE IS OUT!" to Somendra to trigger a Satori;
it was not an information for you or me to be stored
and archived, it was for Somendra at that very moment.
Not earlier, not later, not for anybody else.
A Satsang teacher is a DSL connection - that's the job
given to him by existence. And everybody in the
room has his own PC and is surfing for another thing.
It looks as if simultanuously a lot of contradictory
material comes over the DSL-line, but it is not. And that
is true for normal people like you and me also - the
more aware and awake we are the better we can speak with
several persons at the same time.
And then the nonverbal communication.
And the astral/energetical one.
Plus the so called heart-to-heart orders,
which masters use.
Wake up, man. You probably missed a lot in
your Satsang hunter-gatherer phase, throw it
away and start fresh. Don't believe your
mind, that you allready "know it". Even if you
got everything which was meant for you (which,
pardon me, I doubt) the spiritual internet is changing
every second.
> Having an idea about what is meant by a broken leg
> is enough.
Can you see now, how unaware this sentence of yours is?
Are you satisfied with such a low level of awareness?
> The whole enlightenment stuff is about this mistake.
Indeed, but it's your mistake, Mr. Word-Hunter,
not Life's. And not mine either, because I was not
at all talking to you, but to
he-who-thinks-he-is-enlightened-and-has-a-totally-different-mind-and-
emotional-state-than-you-have.
You idiot.
Now I meant you both and used the word
in all of it's meanings, as far as I know them,
including the original Greek one.
Kabir
Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:37 am
Message #24781 of 31773
[°-:)] [°-:)] Re: Veet's Enlightenment Denial
--- "Anna Ruiz" <nli10u@c...> wrote:
> now what?
You think you can get me with such a simple question?
What what do you mean? Define it first.
And don't forget to breath in the meantime.
Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:10 am
Message #24779 of 31773
[°-:)] Re: WHAT IS THE SHAKTI?( To Kabir) / to ana
--- "hans_vandergugten" <hans_vandergugten@y...> wrote:
> [about feeling Chakras]
> I do not agree.
> Also feeling can be mentally produced.
> Can you find an example of this for yourself?
Don't tell him anything. He is only trying to steal
information and sell it to a Saudi-Arabian Internet
monopol to pay for his grass and his house-boat motor.
Let him die ignorant.
Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:59 am
Message #24774 of 31773
[°-:)] Re: WHAT IS THE SHAKTI?( To Kabir)
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Anna Ruiz" <nli10u@c...> wrote:
> [ about Chakras to Jeeva ]
> have you felt them?
> that is beyond any concept...
But what, if we create them, make them up?
Why must women allways be sooooo parental?
Let him create his own reality, let him make
his individual experiences.
Or I start calling your poems "unreal".
And believe me, I'm good at that.
Creativity and destructivity are twin sisters.
Let the children and the men free. Just your
female feeling, social aptitudes and MOTHER
INSTINCTS doesn't give you any right to
interfere with the universe of somebody else.
The spiritual balance has allready shifted
too much into the female direction in this list
- see Rasa.
Snake Ka
Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:21 pm
Message #24755 of 31773
[°-:)] Re: Veet's Enlightenment Denial
--- "Anna Ruiz" <nli10u@c...> wrote:
> Perhaps it can be explained thusly:
>
> The who, taken to the level of I AM,
> is a continuing idea, self-generating and
> [and so on an so forth]
Ana, this sounds like the explanation of a little
girl, how the cat jumped up to the board and
threw down the glas with sweeties, which fell
to the floor were it broke into little pieces.
An then the dog came and ate the sweeties - except
one, which was broken allready and you wanted to
try how it tastes... and so on and so forth.
And I play the grandpa and say:
Let me help you clean up the floor and be careful
not to cut yourself with the glas pieces. Where are my glasses?
Oh, on my forhead again? Me stupid. And be also
watchful, that we don't oversee a piece of glas,
so that neither dog nor cat nor any visitor might cut
himself.
It was an old Ego, aeh glas anyway. I always wanted to
buy a new one. A smaller one, the old was to heavy
for me. I allways feared it would slip down thru my
hands, when I just wanted to get a single sweety out
of it. So in a way I'm happy, that it's broken. We get
a new one then.
I think, I'll tell your mom, that I broke it, otherwise
she would be angry at the cat, and cats are just like that,
you know how it is, it would be unfair. But you keep the
secret, too? Promised? OK.
How was it in Kindergarten? Did you build that flying dragon
all together? Really? How big was it? Whow! Terrific!
Kabir
Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:43 pm
Message #24753 of 31773
Re: Veet's Enlightenment Denial
--- "veetthomas" <veetthomas@y...> wrote:
> I am not enlightened !
> ... can you hear me now ?
Now you even try to copy from me
and thus prove your lies.
That's not going to help you.
Who needs to make such a statement, if
his own mind was not full with the idea?
Haeh?
Proof:
Just by claiming that you are not it,
you implicitely/subconsciously admit
that you know what it is.
Hence deep, deep down you imagine to
be it, how else would you know what
it was and thus be able to deny it?
Quot erat demonstrandum.
Kabir
Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:46 pm
Message #24750 of 31773
Re: NOBY FOOLS WANT POWER, HATE ME FOR HAVING IT
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Rasa Von Werder" <rasa@w...> wrote:
> NOW I KNOW WHAT IT IS. THEY IGNORED ALL MY OTHER ARTICLES.
> BUT THIS ONE INFURIATED THEM BECAUSE IT IS ABOUT THE ANOINTING,
> THE POWER I HAVE.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Especially the men - they are so envious, because
they don't have any Shakti (except if something
gets transmitted from their Mastress).
HOHOHOHOHO!
These misers. No Power. No intelligence.
Just a little drop of life now and then.
-.-.-.Sputter.-.-.-.
Please, Rasa, write more. I just thought about
comitting suicide, but after your post my life
became meaningful again.
> THEY HATE, FEAR AND FEEL JEALOUSY OVER THIS POWER.
> THEY DENY THE POWER. THEY PUT ME DOWN.
Yes.
> IT IS ALL ENVY. SO BE IT. IT MUST BE THIS WAY.
> IT EXPOSED WHY THEY ARE SO ANGRY...
Because we don't dare to live our own power. Obvious.
What seems not so obvious to you is the fact, that you
cannot give us our power. Everybody needs to take his own.
> ...........HOW THEY WISH THEY COULD HAVE IT, BUT THEY
> DON'T. THEY DO BELIEVE. IF THEY DID NOT BELIEVE THEY
> WOULD NOT BE SO ANGRY. THEY BELIEVE & KNOW I HAVE IT,
> & THEY ARE MAD THEY DO NOT HAVE IT.
What? The tits or the blond hair?
Or your wisdom? Or the megalomaniac
fantasies? Or everything of that?
###################################
> AH, YES, EVERYONE WANTS POWER. ##
###################################
This is it. Rasa pure.The fear to be
powerless, the panic, when helplessness
starts. That's why you make such a fuss,
Dark Darling.
But no one is allowed near Wholeness,
without proper cleansing. This is true
for men as it is for women.
Even for Godesses. Especially for Goddesses.
> BUT THEY DO NOT WANT THE CROSS!
It is your cross, sweety. You made it yourself,
brought it with you, when you came, and pick
it up whenever we tried to twist it from your hands.
> THEY DO NOT WANT THE MARTYRDOM, THE
> TOTAL DEATH TO SELF AND THE DIVINE STIGMATA!
Feel lonesome? Then come down one step from
your piedestal. Just one step. This letter you
wrote was allready a good start.
> THEY MUST TEAR ME TO
> PIECES BECAUSE I HAVE THE POWER!
>
> IT IS FUNNY. I PRAYED GOD TO LET ME NOT FEEL SO MUCH PAIN FOR HOW
> HATEFUL THEY ARE TO ME, AND WHEN I READ THEIR LETTERS I SAW IT SO
> PERFECTLY. THESE POOR, POOR SOULS WISH THEY HAD THIS POWER!
Yes we do. In your universe.
> BUT THEY CAN'T!
No, we cannot. In your universe.
> NOW I AM LAUGHING AND ALL THE PAIN IS GONE!
That was a step backwards, upwards unto your
piedestal again.
Hope to see you again here, Rasa.
Just drop in whenever you want to
feel like a man. Miserly, helpless,
powerless, dirty, sweaty, unholy.
Only strong souls can go thru this.
We can accompany you. We are used to N0by,
we can endure everything, even ourselves.
This is plumber's corner.
You are strong, Rasa.
I believe in you.
You can make it.
Don't give up.
Don't give in.
Come again, Dark Darling,
I will not allways mirror you.
I even was a gentleman for you once.
And once in a while is enough for
a strong soul like you.
Kabir Shiva
Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:30 pm
Message #24742 of 31773
Re: Beautiful Yonis_ ore _ Veet's Porno
> I never said, that I was enlightened !
Privately you think, you are it,
but openly you deny it? Pfui!
Someone, who wouldn't think himself
enlightened, would never say "I never said..."
but simply begin the sentence with
"I'm not enlightened..."
Veet Tom, you are a liar, you want us to
believe that you are enlightened (by denying it).
N0by and others (including me) are just picking
up what you radiate into the cosmos.
Now, come on, admit it, and be free from it.
After all, it can happen to anybody any moment.
Just recognize it.
Come out with it!
Rasa is it too!
Kabir
Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:33 pm
Message #24740 of 31773
Re: WHAT IS THE SHAKTI?( To Kabir)
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "cosmic_jeeva" <cosmic_jeeva@y...> wrote:
> In my experience
> there are no real chakras.
> The people who think there are
> real chakras like lotus petals are ignorant.
>
> But they are concepts to understand
> the movement and distribution of life energy.
So there are no swirls in a fast flowing river?
There is no ebb, no tide? Only flux and movement?
Be carefull when you cross the flux of an Indian
street and beware of the concepts of the Tatra trucks.
Most people cannot see, that you are an holy cow
in essense and might help you reach silence faster than
you intended to.
Concepts are praktical. If a concept doesn't help
you, drop it. And be ready to pick up any other
concept (or the same one), whenever it's appropriate
to you. What else is the mind for?
Just storing and retrieving fixed results (like "the truth")
is a gross misuse of the mind's capacity for change.
Regarding Chakras I have a similiar viewpoint as you have,
but that doesn't make it "reality". I've also met people,
who claimed to be able to see energy, as mists, as colors,
and I don't have any reason to think, that they lied to me.
Mostly I can feel Energy only, but sometimes, if it's very
strong, I see it like the swirls in the air during on a hot
summer day. And, and, and...
So don't conceptualize that some things are just concepts,
stay open for everything - experiences, concepts, ideas,
lack of - whatever. If everything moves, why cling to a fixed
set of "realities" ?
Kabir
Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:57 pm
Message #24737 of 31773
Fuck Rasa and her gang.
Hi Suviro,
> Heyhey, old chap becoming upset?
Yeah.
> Everybody who has eyes, sees that she mixes boobs and religion.
> Must be the American dream. Finally it happens.
> Don't know if double u likes these things.
> Anyway, kundalini does not arise this easily.
> But Americains are always more interested in a fake snake
> then a real one.
Agreed. Except for one thing:
Kundalini DOES arise easily these days.
Otherwise why would be Americans in it?
But Rasa is not living in the US. She is
closer than you think. Your Taxi might make
the trip without a gas refill.
AND having sex with somebody, who is "in it"
is one of the most intense ways of transmitting
this state. So go and fuck Rasa (and those
close to her). Best in a group of people with
active Kundalini. Have fun!
You see, I'm fully FOR Rasa, and not against her.
I'm just against stupidity. Ego is pretty naiv,
it thinks, it can handle EVERYTHING. Not knowing
where its roots are, not caring, who pulls its
strings, not believing anything could be higher
than itself, it goes where the loudest music plays.
That's ok.
But stupid.
Rasa is simply fishing with Dyna... oops with Shakti.
Kabir
Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:11 pm
Message #24725 of 31773
[°-:)] [°-:)] Re: WHAT IS THE SHAKTI?
--- "Anna Ruiz" <nli10u@c...> wrote:
> > A midwife should not only have clean hands.
> > And in my book, she MUST have clean hands.
>
>
> that again would depend on what "you" mean as clean hands....
Bullshit. You avoid responseability.
You call Rasa's intentions "clean"?
Her motives unegoistical? Then say so.
Otherwise you see her basically as I do.
> there are many gurus who have been
> designated such and such but
> have midwifed me along My Way...
Again you are avoiding to express your individual
standpoint regarding Rasa's guruship and evade
into "been designated such and such".
Obviously everybody gets the right partner.
You must have have met a lot of wishy-washy
gurus along your way. Sorry: along Your Way...
It's yours, it's holy.
But it's not very straight.
God is not only poems.
Kabir
Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:18 am
Message #24720 of 31773
Re: WHAT IS THE SHAKTI?( To Kabir)
--- "cosmic_jeeva" <cosmic_jeeva@y...> wrote:
> Do you believe in Kunda Buffer?:-/
ComicJeeva, believe in what?
And why believe?
Either it's there or it isn't.
Or it's undefinable, etc...
So define what you mean.
And observe:
the moment you define it,
it has to be there.
Or not. Or what?
Or what else?
And why not?
Are you sure?
Have you experienced it?
What is it?
And who are you?
Breakfast is getting cold.
There is basically no difference
between a questioning German mind
and a questioning Indian mind.
At least if they both use English.
What about Sanskrit?
Do you believe in Sanskrit?
Why do you look so angry?
No more bread rolls with honey, Honey.
I've eaten them up allready, while
you chewed on your Kunda Buffer.
KaBear
--
Of course, Gurdjieff could've
answered it better. Just read
his books about all and everything,
the answer is there. If no one
else has eaten it by now. But I
don't think so; the books are
indigestible. But good for a
questioning mind. Verrry good
<headwobble>.
Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:45 am
Message #24714 of 31773
[°-:)] Re: WHAT IS THE SHAKTI?
--- "Anna Ruiz" <nli10u@c...> wrote:
> In Christianity "I Am The Way" has been misconstrued to
> believing one must be 'saved' by Christ.
> I can not do it for 'you', yet in my wholeness/holiness,
> I can serve as a spiritual
> midwife, as you indicated, Kabir.
A midwife should not only have clean hands.
And in my book, she MUST have clean hands.
Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:43 am
Message #24713 of 31773
Re: WHAT IS THE SHAKTI?
--- "zora" <onitamo@y...> wrote:
>
> :)Dear Kabir,
>
> it seems you really took rasa seriously.
Yes. And everybody who is using Shakti for
egoistic means needs to be taken seriously.
> I don't know who can consider her as guru ?
You seem to have no personal experience with
Kundalini, do you?
> this is for me
> just western business agressiv marketing
> system using eastern terms.
Kundalini is not just an eastern term,
but an universal reality.
> Your words unfortunately cannot reach people in her group.
It's not my job, to run after false attitudes
in every niche and corner of the internet.
Yet Rasa's statements about Kundalini were
true enough - she knows pretty well, what
power the Kundalini has. Obviously this is
not only book-wisdom. The crack she smokes is real.
Hence I take her selling attitude also for real.
Michael
Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:36 am
Message #24697 of 31773
Re: WHAT IS THE SHAKTI?
--- "Rasa Von Werder" <rasa@w...> wrote:
> > WHY DO I NEED A GURU TO GET THIS?
> > WHY DO I NOT SIMPLY GET IT STRAIGHT FROM GOD?
>
> That is the million dollar question. Many people claim they can get
> it straight from God, but they aren't getting it in sufficient
> quantities to cause a transition. The normal progress of kundalini
> shakti is slow, and takes many years of striving to receive huge
> amounts of shakti. In order to go from one chakra to another - a
> transition - one needs a 'kick' or 'power surge.' One needs help to
> speed things up.
>
> The best way I can describe it is this. Either you go out into the
> world on your own, with no help, make a living and attempt to lead a
> life of prosperity. You can do it but it is arduous and you might
> not even make it. Having a guru like Rasa Von Werder is like
> having a parent or relative who bequethes you a great deal of money.
> With this money you then go out and start a business, and then
> prosperity is more likely to happen.
To whomever who is interested in that theme:
--------------------------------------------
What Rasa writes here is a very dangerous concept. The very idea,
that you "get" something from your guru, makes you dependent.
Especially, if what you get is such an important thing as your life
force, your Shakti, the power you need for spiritual growth,
your Kundalini, your bio energy. If you follow this path,
you end up in spiritual slavery.
You have it allready, you got it allready. Otherwise, you would
not live a single second. And you got not only life, you also
got sensitivity, intelligence, awareness, your Buddha-mind,
your Buddhahood is all there allready. In you. In everybody.
In most persons and at most times, it's sleeping, but it's there.
Quiet, like a pool of energy, that's why it's called Kundalini
- the energy pool.
In emergencies it get's activated - that's why people go for
peek experiences; that's not only the adrenalin, it's the
Kundalini, which becomes active, when you go beyond your limits.
It's also needed for your spiritual adolescence (which many people
did not reach at all in the dark ages). Then a lot of your Energy is
needed to cleans and transform your nervous system and body. But
this Kundalini-rising or Kundalini-breakthrough doesn't mean, that
the Kundalini, which flows then through your body, comes from the
outside. No, instead of living at the one or two percent level, you
are just experiencing higher levels - up to 100% in moments of deep
sexual experiences for example. You fly - but it's your plane, your
kerosine and your own spirit at the controls.
> Your guru gives you the Holy Kick or Power Surge of the
> Shakti Kundalini.
The guru gives you nothing. It's a resonance phenomenom.
If you are near your own spiritual adolescence (if you are "ready"),
the gurus frequency triggers some sort of resonance in your system.
If you are not ready, nothing happens. It's like in biological
adolescence: when you are in in, seeing a beautiful belly dancer
might give you a hard-on, some red cheeks and a wet dream in the
night. But it's your own sexuality, which get's triggered, you don't
"get" it from the other.
> [...] The power you get from your individual guru has the
> personal signature or stamp of the guru. What is that stamp?
> I call it the SPIRITUAL DNA of the guru.
> [...]
> All the gifts that I am familiar with, which
> Jesus and Mary give out, I have received.
> These are some of the gifts
> I can now transmit to others.
Go for your own DNA and not for the DNA of anyone else,
may he/she be Osho, Jesus, Rasa, your lover, your mama,
your daddy or the most holy messenger of God.
If God wanted you to be someone else,
she would have made you so.
But to live yourself totally and truly
is your job, your chance and challenge.
What a guru is really needed for is to help you through the
transition phase, until you found your inner Sadguru and learned
to follow her/him. The guru is a midwife, nothing else.
The guru is not your father, not your mother, not your uncle,
not the goal of your life, not the target for your journey,
not the creator of your soul. Just a midwife.
A difficult birth, taking many years, many things can go astray,
you need a lot of correction, help, hits for your head, hugs
for your heart, removal of blocks in mind and body - endless.
Sometimes you need an energetical push, sometimes breaking down
your speed and bringing you back to earth is neccessary.
And you need someone you can trust, because while the Kundalini
is cleaning and restructuring your nervous system and mind, you
cannot trust yourself often. You need someone, you trust when you
go crazy. Someone you trust even when she/he makes you crazy.
But certainly you don't need someone, who wants to implant
his/her SPIRITUAL DNA into you. That would be like misusing
a freshly born baby.
Kabir
Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:46 pm
Message #24678 of 31773
Any1 has an old tamagochi for Tom - new brain needed.
> File : /Spirit - Kahauna Dream.mp3
> Uploaded by : veetthomas <veetthomas@y...>
This music is like your mind.
1.)
The thingamagic is spelled Kahuna -- not Kahauna.
2.)
MP3-Dowload is out.
Go to shoutcast.com, search for "Hawaii" and enjoy one
of the internet radio stations showing up under that
search string. That is, if you have a flat rate DSL.
My favourite of those: Aloha Dance Radion - Big Kahuna's Party.
When you've got enough, I recommend a search
for "ambient" and give radioio ambient a try
(or go to http://radioio.com - channel ambient).
Ladies: the voice of the main moderator named "Forest"
is worth a thousand sex pictures; it's even better than mine.
Kabir
--
I give you methods not because through methods
you will become enlightened, but through methods you
will come to know how stupid you are - and that
will be great enlightenment.
Osho (while still living)
I give us music, not because it will help you to know
how stupid you are, but with music your stupidity will
be more tolerable for all of us
Kabir (last century before his death - probably).
Except perhaps for poison, duffus, and this lotus feet licker,
whose name i've forgotten, ah yes, and the "I talk, we walk"
idiot, and aeh and ...
no, Noby, no beating for you today, you have not
been brave enough.
Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:49 pm
Message #24659 of 31773
Re: Dear Dying Kabir ;-)
ComicJeeva said to his Teddy Bear: "You are dying."
Bear (having eaten much honey yesterday and sleeping
a good winter-sleep night) was in his philosophical
mood and answered: "This is true. How did you recognize?"
ComicJeeva: "I am awake. In fact, I was awake the whole night.
Your snoring did not let me sleep. I was up and meditating
about life and death and love and hate the whole night.
I could've killed you."
Bear: "You are funny, I'm getting my best ideas
when sleeping, but your mind starts thinking
the moment you try to meditate."
ComicJeeva: "I hate you more that anything else."
Bear: "Even more than not having slept a whole night?"
ComicJeeva: "Not quite that much, but you come pretty close."
Bear: "I'm still a little tired.
I think, I'll sleep another five minutes.
Why don't you go and buy milk, honey
and bread rolls in the meantime?"
ComicJeeva: "To think about it, it's more than not having
slept a whole night how I hate you."
Bear (matter-of-factly and yawning): "That's why
you allways say you love me."
ComicJeeva (with read ears): "You want to make
me guilty to manipulate me into making breakfast."
Bear: "That's true. You are really awake this morning.
Perhaps being awake a whole night is good for your
spiritual development."
ComicJeeva: "I'm Indian, I..."
Bear: "Yes, I know, Indians don't need such primitive
Zen-techniques."
ComicJeeva: "Indeed."
Bear: "But they need breakfast, don't they?
Go fetch it quickly, I would do it also,
but you are faster than me getting breakfast,
we both know that."
ComicJeeva (smiling): "I did it allready while you slept.
Open your eyes, it's on the kitchen table."
Bear: "Now it happened. I am awake."
That was the story about open secret #2 and how
ComicJeeva's Teddy Bear became enlightened.
And as all teddy bears are one,
you can still see the light in their eyes,
whenever you see one anywhere in the world.
Or in their one eye, if they have lost the other,
or in their heart, if they have lost both.
Just look.
The (nearly one-eyed) Kabir
Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:09 am
Message #24652 of 31773
Hi Ana, need some NEW VIRII ?
--- v <beatha@a...> wrote:
> Ana -
> in view of the circumstances, you NEED to take the virus off your
> computer before you keep posting.
Should you need some more, I'll can forward
you the output of our virus scanner. On some days, there
are hundreds of virii, worms, backdoors etc. All fresh from
the net. No fish market has ever seen such fresh a catch.
Are you interested, Ana?
And for that matter, anyone else interested?
Shall I post it to the group?
Excerpt from the youngest delivery:
VIRUS ( Virus identified I-Worm/Bagle.JR )
VIRUS ( Virus identified Worm/Generic.FX )
VIRUS ( Virus found Worm/Feebs )
VIRUS ( Virus identified I-Worm/Netsky.Q )
VIRUS ( Virus identified I-Worm/Netsky.B )
My personal Favorite: The Kamasutra Worm,
Blackworm, Nyxem_D or CME-24, spreading by
simple stupidity. Anyone wants some?
Me thinks, that's a perfect gift for any
seeker, codename "From Astonishment to Awareness".
Dooms-day will be 3rd of February, so there's
ample time to multiply and meditate, meditate
and multiply.
Kabir
--
Better a virus than no friend at all.
Only looners use Linux.
Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:49 am
Message #24650 of 31773
Re: [°-:)] YOUR GRACIOUS HIGHNESS PRINCE LUBOVEDSKY - - -
ComicJevaa said to his Teddy Bear:
"It is a joke that you are answering unimportant
questions but keep quiet when I ask real question."
To which the bear answered:
Bear: "You didn't buy any honey!"
ComicJeeva: "What has THAT to do with what I just said to you?"
Bear: "What was it again, you were talking about?"
ComicJeeva: "Spirituiality, Masters, Chakras..."
Bear yawns.
ComicJeeva: "... Meaning of Life..."
Bear: "Whenever YOU are not here,
MeaningOfLife drops in for a chat,
and we are having a cup of tea together."
ComicJeva (angry): "Or a hot milk with honey."
Bear: "You are a sadist!"
ComicJeeva: "I'm Indian."
Bear: "But when YOU are here,
MeaningOfLife is somewhere else."
ComicJeeva: "She frustrated me deeply and
we separated long time ago."
Bear: "You think you are not frustrating?
Just look at your shopping habbits..."
ComicJeeva crumbling in the hamper and bringing
out a little flasket with a light yellow fluid in it:
"Here it is, I forgot to take it out.
Here is your honey."
Bear snatches the flasket and starts opening it.
ComicJeeva: "What, no kiss or a thank-you at least?"
Bear (matter-of-factly): "You love me."
ComicJeeva: "Perhaps we could invite MeaningOfLife
for some hot milk with honey? What do you think?"
Bear: "Did you buy any green tea also?"
ComicJeeva: "I don't drink green tea."
Bear: "No green tea? Then she wouldn't come,
I'm afraid."
Silence.
----------------------------------
The characters and their speakers:
ComicJeeva -- Cosmic Jeeva
Teddy Bear -- channelled by Kabir
MeaningOfLife -- absent
HereNow -- went shopping
Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:19 pm
Message #24607 of 31773
The Freedom Of Lies
--- "Anna Ruiz" <nli10u@c...> wrote:
>
> When the fabrication of your internal truth
> becomes too tight a thread and you itch
> to remove your suit in the middle of day,
> remember the lilies of the field as
> the cool summer wind rumples your hair,
> on the way to your freedom song.
Truth fabricated
- internally or externally -
becomes a lie.
Freedom possessed by a person
- internally or externally -
becomes a prison.
Spirituality controlled
- internally or externally -
becomes religion.
Kabir
Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:47 am
Message #24606 of 31773
Re: crazy germans
--- v <beatha@a...> wrote:
> ...
> "those *crazy Germans*"!
> Extra-special mercenaries -
> insane warrior-troupes
> hired by Romans
> and everybody
> because the German tribes
> were (are?) *vicious*!
> (or so they say)
> Do you think is in your DNA?
Yes, that was absolutely true.
But evolution moved it from the
DNA to the USA. German DNA was
overloaded with all the good genes
anyway (like sausage creation,
grumpiness or tax form creativity). ;)
> curious,
> v
explanative
Michael
--
Past wisdom is called history.
Future wisdom is called visionary power.
Present wisdom is called Living Kabir.
Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:37 am
Message #24597 of 31773
RASA
--- "Rasa Von Werder" <rasa@w...> wrote:
>
> I DO NOT KNOW YOU
I say, the above statement is not true. ;)
I SAY
EVEN IF I CANNOT SEE HER
I SAY SHE IS HERE
THOUGH MY HANDS CANNOT HOLD HER
I SAY SHE IS REAL
WHILE SHE BRINGS DEATH WITH A SMILE
I SAY SHE IS LOVE
Kabir
Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:04 am
Message #24218 of 31773
Re: Veet Deer, be quick
--- zen_rise" <zen_rise@y...> wrote:
>
> Question is the answer.
Highly insufficient and mentally lazy.
Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:42 am
Message #24200 of 31773
[°-:)] Re: fredom of speach (Jakob)
Valerie said:
> ... only those who suffer like hell
> ever notice the pathways to heaven.
With such concepts humans are
creating the suffering.
There is no path anywhere.
The "path to heaven"
is a religious illusion.
Of course, until you recognize, that
you are creating the suffering, you
might need some experience first.
But you can stop it any moment.
It's not a matter of any "path",
but rather a matter of intelligence.
Or the lack thereof.
Yet - that intelligence is also given.
Or not yet. It seems that before our souls
allow us to see anything, before a veil is
drawn away, they bring our system into balance.
And nobody knows, when this balance will be
reached, before it is. The role-person in a movie
lives without knowledge of the movie's end.
There is no path to travel, there is just
to do and to experience, what the soul wants
us to do and to experience.
First the horror movie, then Mac Donalds.
Just like that. No path.
We think, we could decide. We think,
we are the ones deciding to say
"I'll come again" or "You're lucky
the bar's open to you."
But we are just actors in the movie.
Listen to the prompter.
"Carl, see that Major Strasser gets
a good table, one close to the ladies."
"I have already given him the best,
knowing he is German and would take it anyway."
"The enlightenment is not for me,
mine is the Metaxa."
"Sam, who is that lady over there?"
"Better put your dreams somewhere else,
she's Laszlo's."
"Another Metaxa, please."
There is no suffering except in your ideas.
It's created by ideas and concepts.
Listen to the source of your inner and
outer dialogues. Listen to the prompter.
She is sitting 2 inches below the navel.
I know, you cannot answer freely. But I can.
My prompter is drunken like hell and making
fun of all this drama here. At the moment.
Listen to the - oops - Metaxa.
Hehehehe.
Hicks.
Look into my eyes, Metaxa.
HAHAHAHAHA!
Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:50 pm
Message #24195 of 31773
Re: fredom of speach (Jakob)
Noby typed:
> http://thiefdoor.net - hasn't Kabir suffered like hell?
No, N0by. Those who cannot go
through a little hardship,
are suffering much, much more.
Those needing continuous plastic
love are really living in hell,
their pain is so intense, that
they need illusions every moment.
Hence I say: illusions are hell,
'cause you are missing reality.
Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:07 pm
Message #24145 of 31773
Re: Mines a Pepsi
--- "graeme" <graemewp@f...> wrote:
> btw most Jnannis tend to associate
> realisation with the ' 3rd eye '
> - if anything - rather than ' the navel ' .
I am here, you are her, that's enough for me;
let "most Jnanas" question whatever they
feel like questioning. I don't care, I'm not
a statistician.
When you buy a sack of potatoes, your are not
trying to pay with Monoply money, or do you?
What kind of responses do you expect to get
with this kind of fake questions?
Michael
Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:24 pm
Message #24127 of 31773
[°-:)] [°-:)] [°-:)] [°-:)] Re: [°-:)] Veet Deer, be quick
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, Beloved Paddy <pa_dd_y@y...> wrote:
>
> When there is no lion the deer only knows grass
Ok. Then how would you know that you were a Buddha?
Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:54 pm
Message #24126 of 31773
[°-:)] [°-:)] [°-:)] [°-:)] Re: [°-:)] Veet Deer, be quick
--- Beloved Paddy <pa_dd_y@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > How does a deer know, that it is a deer?
> > > > > > > > > The moment it sees a lion...
> > > > > > > > Then what does it know when no lion is there ?
> > > > > > > The Zen of Mental Masturbation
> > > > > > You don't get it, hence you put it down.
> > > > > Ok I will reply when ever the answer comes up
> > > > The answer is allready here, SO REPLY.
> > > The dear knows that it may be a dear
> > THAT IS GUESSWORK AND NOT KNOWING.
> you tell me the answer...
You would not live with an answer told.
Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:51 pm
Message #24122 of 31773
[°-:)] [°-:)] [°-:)] Re: [°-:)] Veet Deer, be quick
--- Beloved Paddy <pa_dd_y@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > How does a deer know, that it is a deer?
> > > > > > > The moment it sees a lion...
> > > > > > Then what does it know when no lion is there ?
> > > > > The Zen of Mental Masturbation
> > > > You don't get it, hence you put it down.
> > > Ok I will reply when ever the answer comes up
> > The answer is allready here, SO REPLY.
> The dear knows that it may be a dear
THAT IS GUESSWORK AND NOT KNOWING.
Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:36 pm
Message #24120 of 31773
[°-:)] [°-:)] Re: [°-:)] Veet Deer, be quick
--- Beloved Paddy <pa_dd_y@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > How does a deer know, that it is a deer?
> > > > > The moment it sees a lion...
> > > > Then what does it know when no lion is there ?
> > > The Zen of Mental Masturbation
> > You don't get it, hence you put it down.
> Ok I will reply when ever the answer comes up
The answer is allready here, SO REPLY.
Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:14 pm
Message #24118 of 31773
[°-:)] Re: [°-:)] Veet Deer, be quick
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, Beloved Paddy <pa_dd_y@y...> wrote:
> > > > How does a deer know, that it is a deer?
> > > The moment it sees a lion...
> > Then what does it know when no lion is there ?
> The Zen of Mental Masturbation
You don't get it, hence you put it down.
Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:56 pm
Message #24116 of 31773
Re: [°-:)] Veet Deer, be quick
--- Beloved Paddy <pa_dd_y@y...> wrote:
> > How does a deer know, that it is a deer?
> The moment it sees a lion...
Then what does it know when no lion is there ?
Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:43 pm
Message #24114 of 31773
[°-:)] [°-:)] Re: [°-:)] Share your views
--- nanda <nandagirikishore@y...> wrote to Jeeva:
> Jeeva,
> ...
> Observe your question, you are analyzing a Bhuddha.
Shall he analyze somebody else instead?
Then tell us: who is not a Buddha?
Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:40 pm
Message #24111 of 31773
Be quick to answer:
How does a deer know, that it is a deer?
Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:33 pm
Message #24107 of 31773
The Purpose of a Bhikkhu is to count?
Bhikkhu Samahita stressed by computer-screen to output:
> The Goal ...
> The purpose ...Mentality!
> The purpose ...Understanding!
> The purpose ...
> Source:
> The Middle Length Sayings of the Buddha. Majjhima Nikaya.
> Sutta 24 Relays.
How can on who calls himself "Bhikkhu" (which is something
like "wise man", I think) be satisfied with studying the
sayings of a Buddha, and not be interested in the unborn,
hence allways present alife and awake Buddha-Mind in himself?
This is like going into a brothel and
starting to take stock of the condoms.
You are making your Buddha-mind into a machine
for continuous inventory of old scriptures.
AREN'T THERE OTHER THINGS OF INTEREST FOR YOU?
You misread the scriptures, Sire,
the most holy thing for a Bikkhu is
not to count, but a cunt!
For a seamless transition:
count the cunts.
Ka
--
And, please: the word was
"seamless" and nothing else.
Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:30 pm
Message #24094 of 31773
For me a Coke with some Baccardi and a slice of lime, if you please.
Hi Graeme,
> **still, if you ever feel in the mood - some of us are
> interested in reading about other experiences
thiefdoor dot net is again online. That's something to read.
What I write here is not to be read.
> **you are a brave man Sir!
Not really, it's the result of the experiences, when
I have not been truthful or brave. I just recognised,
that the long lasting feeling of disgust with myself
is not worth to try to be "clever".
> i wouldn't expect anything out of posting and the reality
> is we are just sharing - what the other person gets out
> of it is kinda up to them.
Is there any "other" person?
> And,and,and anything else probably involves an
> effort to control.
No, it needs an effort to be truthfull.
Controlling is not being truthfull;
in control one tries to "bend" reality.
> Are you sure its not just old age that's making you
> a taaaaad grumpy?
No, I'm not sure, not at all. Just the opposite: I am old,
fed up, tired and so on. Yet, being "young", active, positive
is also only half of the reality.
> > [about J Katz and thinkers in general]
> > Basically this compulsory thinking comes from wanting ...
>
> **so their present condition is a problem for them or you?
First of all a present condition is as it is.
No need to create a problem out of it and then
try to pass the buck to someone.
Secondly, most problems we have are social. We live in a
manic-depressive global society - that influences us on a
severe level. J Katz is not an isolated phenomenon, and I
am not, also. His manic attitude and my depressive mood
in this discussion are part of the same situation.
Third, there is a Katz in you and in me. Wasn't I also
talking about myself and about you to a certain degree?
> > You cannot think
> > yourself out of thinking.
>
> **yes and no - what else is a zen koan for?
To frustrate the thinker. Frustration is an essential
prerequisite to loose illusions.
> Anyway, tis been a pleasure to show you the error
> of your ways Sir!
You mean to show me myself? That's often enough of
an error, more than enough (in both senses). :)
> Those who are attracted to metaphysical reasoning and
> speculation, subtle intellectual research, philosophy,
> science, and similar lines of mental effort, turn naturally
> to 'Gnani Yoga'.
A Jnana, yes I am one, and yes, I see you also to be one.
As opposed to a bhakti for example. Jnanas love mental
fight, they cannot give in, they need to be fought down.
If they avoid loosing (like J Katz), if they avoid to
fight with souls which are more "ripe" then they themselves
are, they avoid everything, which they keep close to
their heart: insights, wisdom, centeredness, awareness
and finally love.
Without loosing, without pain, work, stress, suffering
there is not deeper development possible for a Jnana soul,
I dare say. Especially without loosing.
In my flat I'm having some plants (Amaryllis belladonna),
which need to have their leaves completely cut and live
without a drop of water for at least about 2 months a year.
Only after that, they are ready to blossom.
Love
Kabir
Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:05 am
Message #24065 of 31773
Re: Gurus, Coca Cola and Sex - or vice versa
--- "Graeme" <graemewp@f...> wrote:
> Michael,
> I would understand if it might be
> something you would keep personal
> AND I promise to avoid priestly
> provocations
> but would you share your experience of
> attaining the navel with the group?
That's a good joke, it created some laughter over
here in the dark morning.
But I'll answer to you anyway. I allways use
the posting here to say what I want, so don't
think that I'm not answering you. I'm answering
you, I'm pretty concentrated on how I "get" you.
I might not be answering your question, but - I said
it allready - it's for you.
Look at this Gerry Katz and all the other mind fuckers,
who over-populate the internet: they can formulate,
they can argue, they can think, twist your words, they
can do anything which can be done with words.
I can do that also to my individual degree, you can do it
to your degree, but they are professionals in mindfucking.
That's not a problem, it's just a fact.
It becomes a problem, if you want to show them something
existentially new (or if they want to learn it), something
outside their realm of thinking, because their area of
thinking covers their whole inner universe.
Everthing is formulated, compared, conceptionalized which enters
their system. They cannot do otherwise, they HAVE to think.
And there is nearly no room left for anything else; even about
feelings they talk and think - emphasis on ABOUT.
I know these states by personal experiences.
Basically this compulsory thinking comes from wanting - but you
cannot tell them this, because the message will again be analysed,
cathegorized, accepted or rejected ... and nothing would change.
Before one can understand what the thinking is, one has to come
out of it first, before anthing can change. You cannot think
yourself out of thinking.
For thinkers this means they have to stop putting 100% of their
life-energy into the head, into thinking.
The energy needs to come back into the body
until the system is balanced again.
The only way to get some existential fresh experience into
the thinker's system, is thru the body.
That's why people like Gerry Katz can never be touched (nothing
to say about being changed) in an email list - the communication
is not bodily enough. But that's also why you will never meet
them somewhere else: they are afraid of physical contact.
To them withdrawing some part of their life-energy from the head
and living it in the body feels like dying.
Reducing the thinking even only by 10% is death (for the thinker)
and he knows that instinctively. Hence he has to run on 100%
thinking for the rest of his life. Again and again and again.
Sleeping pills, Sex, Mary Jane or Adam are just temporary reliefs;
while the drug is being sonsumed thinking is still there most
of the time and afterwards it's stronger than ever.
Kabir
Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:56 am
Message #24064 of 31773
So you like to be humiliated?
--- dufuss wahoo <dufussx@y...> wrote:
> yes, well said I be of the same "your" opinion.
> and please dont be SORRY you said it best.
No, I'm not beating you.
Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:59 am
Message #24053 of 31773
Re: [°-:)] Share your views
Oh, Jeeva, you are wonderful!
--- "cosmic_jeeva" <cosmic_jeeva@y...> wrote:
> Dear Nanda,
> Can I know the factors that you consider foolish...[-(
Foolishness has a lot of factors,
recognizing it, has none.
Kabir
Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:59 am
Message #24052 of 31773
Gurus, Coca Cola and Sex - or vice versa
--- "cosmic_jeeva" <cosmic_jeeva@y...> wrote:
> Dear Kabir,
>
> Thanks for sharing the information and views.
>
> But you are commenting on the prejudice that I am just a beginner.
> Can I call it as spiritual arrogance?
Just call it unawareness. You misread me. With beginners,
I meant me and Veet Tom regarding the finer levels of Tantric
experiences.
> I never considered or said that you are all beginners or
> I have reached Buddhahood( total cessation of desires) or
> I know every technique to teach you all.Rather I am sharing
> what I have felt.
Why do Indians have such a low self-esteem? Tell me, please.
> I am dare to say that no one discussing in Internet Groups
> has attained Buddhahood.Can you deny it?
I dare say, everybody is born with it, if not born dead.
If you are not aware of it, then it's a matter of lacking
awareness, but not of lacking buddhahood.
Perhaps you start your personal awareness-training
by reading my posts a little more carefully?
> What is the need for them? Certainly one is not going to select
> internet as their media even when they attain Buddhahood
> (prone to all kind of misunderstanding and wrong judgements).
My Buddha sends me to the internet, what can I do?
Argue with her? No chance. But, Buddhahood cannotz be
attained. There is no way to attain your navel, man,
you allready have one.
> Rather they will be dealing on direct communication if they wishes.
Who is ready to deal directly with another person, nothing to
say about another Buddha? If one had ample opportinity and guts
to contact others persons directly, 98% of the internet would
be empty.
> But I have to tell something also.
> When people hear some Truth,they are saying that you are just
> repeating like parrot.or you are just doing copy and paste job.
> They never consider the possibility that it might be a honest
> sharing or personal understanding.They try to suppress the person
> immediately rather than honestly helping him or questioning him
> to obtain clarity before coming in to judgements.
Bad, bad people. Non-Indians probably.
Indians would never speak so badly about parrots.
> Is it Love or Is it compassion?
> You might be well aware of the reasons.
Reasons are of the mind, Love comes from no-mind.
And why should I judge myself constantly, wether it's
Love or compassion or desire or joy or whatever, which
makes me tick? If I cannot stop judging myself,
I certainly will judge others also.
Just feeling, what is right and what is wrong for me to do,
to say, to write or not to do/say/write - that's more than
sufficient.
> That is why I decided not to go to any place or depend on any GURU.
Aaah! Here it comes! The reason for your low self-esteem.
Indian super-ego against normal anti-guru-ego. Interesting
to meet you, Jeeva.
> Because they will be wasting my time in tests and experiments.
> Rather I will test it on reality.If OSho was perfectly aware
> that 21 people are enlightened what is the need for testing
> them again.
They might have needed the experience. If the master sees our
spiritual ego, that's normal. Wether the disciple sees it,
that's the important thing. And masters have their ways to
create experiences...
> If he is GOD as many disciples believe why couldn't he see
> directly.Why he has to depend on experiments ?
Experienc, not experiment. And the disciples need it.
Learning happens only through experiences.
> I am not kidding him for his efforts to raise the Awareness
> or questioning his understanding.
Neither am I. I'm just trying to bring some understanding
regarding his teaching methods.
> Masters are not GOD but there is GODLINESS in them.They are tuned
with existence but how they can become as totality of existence?
You have met one? I thought you said you don't go to gurus.
You have lived with one?
> Whatever I am writing is based on my understanding only.
> If it is proved wrong , I am ready to reconsider and
> ready to discuss.
Well I think, everything is fine with your opinions.
The only thing I might reconsider if I were you, is the
question wether you avoid gurus or they avoid you.
After all, a guru chooses the disciple and not vice versa.
The higher consciousness does the choosing, anything else
wouldn't work.
Best wishes for you and your beloved.
Kabir
P.S.
You might ask, why this "Coca Cola"
was never mentioned.
It was, Jeeva, it was.
"Coca Cola" is my secret word
for "enlightenment".
Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:24 pm
Message #24041 of 31773
[°-:)] Re: Share your views
--- "Anna Ruiz" <nli10u@c...> wrote:
> Hi Kabir,
>
> What if perhaps enlightenment takes ALL identifications
> away from the mind, leaves you with nothing until the search
> begins again, this time not for enlightenment, but for the
> Beloved.
That's what I mean! Imagine you are not longer Anna - terrible idea!
Or - as it happened to me - you walk rhough the city and
don't know what you wanted to buy, don't know your own telephon
number (should anybody ask for it), don't know even your own name
any longer?
Well, actually the feeling is more like:
"Oh, I could remember my name, but I don't care to think about it."
Would you like that?
Probably you would.
But if you were an woman... Would you like to stop thinking about
yourself as being beautiful, sexy, seductive and irresistable?
And be a nobody instead.
I'm sure, you wouldn't.
> Or from the search for the end of the cravings and aversions
> of the mind to the beginnings of Love, "i and Thou".
As you are the creator of the cravings and aversions,
why search for an end in the first place?
As you speak about Love (even with a capital "L"),
why do you start with an "I"? The "I" cannot love.
And why do you speak about "i and Thou",
the concept of being two is against Love.
Even God cannot do everything. She cannot split
herself into two, for example. She can / we can just
create the illusion, the maya of being many...
Searching is going astray.
Kabir
Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:48 pm
Message #24037 of 31773
[°-:)] Re: ANSWERS TO NOBY LETTERS ON SITE
--- "cosmic_jeeva" <cosmic_jeeva@y...> wrote:
> ... you might have claimed still more money.
> It is so cheap :))
Special introductory offer.
Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:51 am
Message #24036 of 31773
Re: Share your views
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "cosmic_jeeva" <cosmic_jeeva@y...> wrote:
> Why Osho claimed none of his close disciples or inner circle
> friends as enlightened who have spent many years with him.
> Case study follows .
A very common, minor scientifix error:
you have not included the case that you may be wrong.
In Oregon, Osho declared 21 people as enlightened, most of
them (if not all?) westeners. All had to dress in white
and got an enlightenment certificate from him in a special
ceremony.
Some time later, I've heard, he said, this was just a test,
to see how their spiritual ego would show up.
But what is enlightenment anyway compared to 10000 years
of spiritual development, hhhhmmm?
Jeeva, enjoy being an Indian, and forget about enlightenment.
Because with enlightenment (again I've heard) you will
no longer be an Indian - that's really not a good deal,
don't you think so?
Hence either enlightened or Indian. I think, your Atman has chosen
wisely to be reborn in India. Just compare it with my case: German
<ugh>. Or with Veet Tom - he has not even read the Kama Sutras,
while you as an Indian have written it out of compassion for
beginners like us.
Enlightenment is only something special for the poor non-Indians.
Germans, Italians and the rest may need it, their personality has
nothing else of value.
Greetings
Kabir
Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:48 am
Message #24029 of 31773
[°-:)] Re: ANSWERS TO NOBY LETTERS ON SITE
--- dufuss wahoo <dufussx@y...> wrote:
> Thank you, very well said. my opinion, dw
No, sorry Duffus, I published first, I have the copyright.
So it's MY opinion.
But you may buy it: send 5,- Euro (or 6 US-$) to
the PayPal account of zim@vegaa.de and I'll delete
my original (and this) posting and will never again object
to your claim, that the statements below are the
expression of YOUR opinion.
Looking forward to a mutual satisfying relationship.
Greetings
Kabir
> Kabir <michael@k...> wrote: --- "Rasa Von Werder" <rasa@w...>
wrote:
>
> > THANK YOU FOR DISCUSSING THESE ISSUES WITH ME.
> > DOES NO ONE HERE AGREE WITH ME EXCEPT MR. NOBY?
>
> Agreement and disagreement are politics. Important,
> often neglected in the spiritual circus. Yet it's
> only half of the story.
>
> And before I go again into being half...
> being split into right or wrong,
> being split into agreement or disagreement,
> being split between me and you or you and Sarlo,
> being split into my interests and your interests,
> or my awareness and your awareness...
> ...so before being half again, I prefer to be whole,
> wholly wrong or wholly right - that's just relative.
> But not being split is something of absolute value.
>
> There is nobody on the planet, who can force or seduce
> me into any army - God's army or Devil's army, pro Sarlo,
> against Sarlo - who cares? Army is Army, that's important.
> If I want to join it, that's something different, but
> talking me into it, drawing me into it ... no.
>
> That Sarlo is an asshole needs to be seen individually,
> or the inner mechanics, by which he gathers people in
> his list, and by which every person is manipuklated,
> are never understood at all. These mechanics are being
> used BTW by N0by as well as by you, Rasa.
> Only you can do it better, much better.
>
> But better advertisement doesn't make anything whollier,
> good marketing only makes the party bigger.
>
> Much joy in your holy war. But it's as stupid as any
> holy war ever was. You give energy to what you oppose.
> And you have your own agenda, which has nothing to do
> with Sarlo or N0by, but rather has a lot to do with
> establishing lines of command and of fast, intense
> and emotional communication.
>
> And - it's God's war, as everything is her's,
> but God is with both sides, as allways.
>
> My opinion.
> Don't forget: you asked.
>
>
> Kabir
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Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:38 am
Message #23991 of 31773
[°-:)] Re: Gratitude as the Master Key
--- v <beatha@a...> wrote:
> gee whiz,
> just objective-being here,
> v
Hhhhmmm. Are you sure? Wondering,
wether I did understand you at all.
I think, all Being is subjective. No?
Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:19 pm
Message #23989 of 31773
Re: ANSWERS TO NOBY LETTERS ON SITE
--- "Rasa Von Werder" <rasa@w...> wrote:
> THANK YOU FOR DISCUSSING THESE ISSUES WITH ME.
> DOES NO ONE HERE AGREE WITH ME EXCEPT MR. NOBY?
Agreement and disagreement are politics. Important,
often neglected in the spiritual circus. Yet it's
only half of the story.
And before I go again into being half...
being split into right or wrong,
being split into agreement or disagreement,
being split between me and you or you and Sarlo,
being split into my interests and your interests,
or my awareness and your awareness...
...so before being half again, I prefer to be whole,
wholly wrong or wholly right - that's just relative.
But not being split is something of absolute value.
There is nobody on the planet, who can force or seduce
me into any army - God's army or Devil's army, pro Sarlo,
against Sarlo - who cares? Army is Army, that's important.
If I want to join it, that's something different, but
talking me into it, drawing me into it ... no.
That Sarlo is an asshole needs to be seen individually,
or the inner mechanics, by which he gathers people in
his list, and by which every person is manipuklated,
are never understood at all. These mechanics are being
used BTW by N0by as well as by you, Rasa.
Only you can do it better, much better.
But better advertisement doesn't make anything whollier,
good marketing only makes the party bigger.
Much joy in your holy war. But it's as stupid as any
holy war ever was. You give energy to what you oppose.
And you have your own agenda, which has nothing to do
with Sarlo or N0by, but rather has a lot to do with
establishing lines of command and of fast, intense
and emotional communication.
And - it's God's war, as everything is her's,
but God is with both sides, as allways.
My opinion.
Don't forget: you asked.
Kabir
Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:19 pm
Message #23969 of 31773
Re: Gratitude as the Master Key
--- "Stephen" <zzzstephen@y...> wrote:
> Gratitude, like intention, has its powerful effects.
Want to test your ability to be grateful?
Then post a recent foto of yourself and give the group
the explicit allowance to comment on in in detail without
flattering. And read every comment about you; if you observe
becoming angry, read it three times loud and with the proper
intonation.
Then, check wether you can be grateful for this feedback.
Otherwise your talk is just the same trip as everybody else
has it - getting attention, friends, positive feedback,
more members into your list, more points unto your virtual
internet-VIP account etc.
Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:28 am
Message #23897 of 31773
Re: Respect to you, Kabir !
Hi Tom,
> I was disgusted by n0by's love-letters to you,
> when he went around and celebrated your
> Hights of Abbility to comment and talk truth ...
> because I identified you - with n0by's appreceation.
Yes, they are disgusting. But when I jump a him,
he just changes into the next gear...
> It is of course the 'living word' that surpasses
> old scriptures and dead gurus ... even though
> THEY can never die in time ... (!)
There is more to why they say a living Buddha/Master/teacher
is needed: the essential part of a tennis-training is it
to challenge you, give you an opportunity to make errors
and improvements (but errors are outnumbering the improvements)
and CORRECT YOU. The best theory book cannot do that.
Only a living counterpart, who engages into intensive tennis
match with you, can. And you must be ready to loose again
and again for a long time - especially it's not about tennis,
but about loosing ;)
> Even Karl needs to name his 'Book of Karl'
> with the subtitle: 'Enlightenment, And
> Other Errors' - Why ?
Karl is a lightweight, more entertaining version
of U.G. Krishnamurt, I think.
> Because we, the egos with that spiritual
> abscess (how you called it) need to pick up
> that nasty word, just to be aware, that somebody
> might have to say something of importance !
We are not the ego. I mean, if you want, it's your's
to decide what you are.. But I am not only the ego.
> And spirit nowadays seems to be more and more
> down to earth - Satsang-Gurus everywhere ...
> hankering for seekers in every city ...
So what? I think, you think, that spirituality,
enlightenment, realization or whatever is something
like a commodity, some thing, which you can attain, get,
steal, drop, pick up, buy, sell etc.
No, it's about you, Tom and Veet Tom. 100%
There is no one else, no God, no religion,
no nothing. Of course there might be a goddess
(or thousands), there might be enlightenment
and so on, but at the moment I'm busy with looking
at myself. If God wants to show her - fine.
If not - fine. But before I go and look for myself,
I have to make sure, that my mind and emotions
are balanced and awake and unbiased, else I would
only find my own suppressed stuff.
> I am a newbie (to Advaita and so on) because
> Osho was long enough the best I could love ...
>
> Of course Krishnamurti is also beautiful, (don't
> care if his body is dead ...) and there is a certain
> Eckhart Tolle (quite nice) and a very easy, and
> funny, and alive Karl ... a smiling Samarpan
> with more holy but also a very normal and
> friendly attitude.
>
> All are different, but from that same saltyness,
> (or rotten fish ... yes - that's me ) ... we call
> the sea ... the ocean ... the whole thing ...
>
> I feel this thing called enlightenment is very
> much down to earth now - the ego abscesses are
> quite well known - we laugh while understanding
> more and more ... day to day.
Much talk, much window-shopping, no committment.
> Now, here we are your commune,
No you are not.
> and I love the
> 'idea' - that we are now a real 'cyber church' - I love
> the 'idea', that these 500 corpses here - that is maybe
> 50 people at the most, who are somehow aware what
> happens ... or let's better say: 20 ... if not just one ...
> (S.t.i.y.K.) ...
again: you love to have no committment. That's nice and easy,
but isn't reaching deep.
> Now I see, we can better say, that n0by was the
> medium for you to come to this list.
> He prepared the cuckoos nest for you to breed here.
An 110 kg cockoo? Disgusting idea.
You try to grasp me and N0by, try to understand
and to manipulate. This is the wrong direction
to learn something about yourself. If you look at
others you become (or remain?) just a piece of
driftwood in the waves of their energy.
To become less manipulateable, I have to manipulate less.
To find some truth in myself, I have to be as exact
as possible in my expression, allowing others to grasp
me without grasping them - as far as possible.
Who said, it was easy?
Kabir
Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:19 am
Message #23893 of 31773
Re: Kabir helps Sri Datta Swami
Hi Zora,
> Kabir is quoting 'dead' Master..Buddha.
You are right, but when I tried to make my flat a little
more tidy, I found this book "Afterzen - Experience of a Zen Student
Out on His Bar" by Janwillem van de Wetering and read some pages in
it. The text was such a fit - I had to quote it. Nice book by the way.
> I don't know if he was there when Buddha said this..
> but it is nice,evergreen ..
No, a little later I was busy doing energy work on Joshua
before they crucified him, washing the bad energy of my hands
afterwards ... but that's a diferent story alltogether. ;)
> and Kabir was engaged in preaching of Buddhist philosophy to one
> Hindu follower
> (every preacher thinks he is right..)
Non, no, no, no. Of course I think I'm right, that's not the point
I'm objecting, but I negate the attitude to label that "Buddhist"
against "Hindu". That kind of thinking belongs to the past millenium
for my opinion.
> I am just wondering according to this 'logic'
> is there any Kabir
> except in preachers preaching-eager head.?
No, there is not. But there is something - individual -
most of the time presenting her/him/it-self indirectly
through what I do, feel, think, say. This - which I call
Ka and my spiritual friend named Kabir - is writing
my texts, if they touch.
When you have negative experiences with preachers
(which I assume), you must also had experienced, that
humans can have strong influences upon each other.
As I see it, this influence is allways there, with or
without words. Actually I think, we are one, breathing
the same air, drinking the same water, sharing the
same thoughts and emotions. There is no way *not* to be
influenced and influence others, it's not possible,
we are one organism. Blaming others doesn't help, it
just reduces one's own response-ability, it's just
an escape into the role-game of perpetrator and victim.
But picking the right people to be with can make a lot
of a difference in the long run.
I think, if we avoid to accept that everything which we
experience is somehow (or at least may be somehow) caused
by ourselves, we lull our conciousness and avoid our power.
I want to live myself and I don't want to live alone,
at least not all the time. Hence I'm interested in friends,
who can live themselves also. Loud, powerful, sensitive,
feeling, provocative - the whole spectrum.
SUCH PEOPLE DON'T GROW ON TREES. They need an environment,
support, challenge to undo the ungood and restrictive parts
of their social and spiritual conditioning. I needed this
support, my spiritual friends and trainers needed it, their
master needed it and so on. We are standing on the shoulders
of the people who lived before us. If we did choose somehow
the wrong people to trust, it's not their fault. Let's learn
from it and grow on.
So I do my best to provoke. If that's only preacherman's
talk to you, if that's only words for you, then lift YOUR
ass to make it real. To be able to say "there is no way"
costs a lot of work for example, this "no way" comes after
a long and uneasy path.
Ka
Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:19 am
Message #23889 of 31773
Re: DEAR MR. NOBY,
--- "Rasa Von Werder" <rasa@w...> wrote:
> My question is DO YOU WANT TO WORK TOGETHER AGAINST THE GOONS?
Noby, you got allies!
My advice (unasked for, but better than ever):
Never trust the enimies of your enimies.
:)
Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:29 am
Message #23888 of 31773
Re: [°-:)] Does the Lord require help of human beings in His work?
--- prakki surya <dattapr2000@y...> wrote:
> [Message from Shri Datta]
> What is the reason for the very strong obstruction in
> spreading the true knowledge in this world?
Because you create this obstruction.
Your knowledge might be true or not,
yet the person you use to spread it,
this Prakki Surya, is not true, but rather
has the function of a Xerox-machine -
copying your truth. While you seem to
copy the vedas.
A truth copied becomes a lie.
Look at your website, Sire, covered with your
personal face all over. You seem to be very
fond of copying.
Your teaching (if it is one) is Kali Yuga teaching,
and not a very good one, in my opinion. Just copying
old scriptures, repeating knowledge transmitted
over thousands of years. Book knowledge, dead knowledge.
In my book a master is someone, who can help a lot
of different souls to reach their potential, and is
able to adopt his teaching techniques to individual
persons and situations. Master souls bring new techniques
with them. Totally new techniques. You are not a master,
Shri Datta in this aspect, hence I drop the "Smami"
from your name.
A teacher is someone who has realized his own potential
and can transmit it to other souls also, but can only use
given techniques and methods (those which he had experienced
himself as a disciple). You are not a teacher, Shri Datta,
your methods are dead, your disciple is the proof. Hence you
cannot claim to teach divine consciousness or give divine
messages (at least not in public), and I drop "Divine" from
your name.
A mystic is someone, who has realized his potential, but
cannot teach others, cannot help others to do so also.
Within his close family a mystic might be helpfull a little
(or maybe not), but in public a mystic can at best show
his own joy by dancing, with poems or pictures and the like.
At best. Wether he has reached anything or not, is basically
his private affair. As this list is a publice place, I would
find it misleading to call you "Holy", hence I drop that also
from your name.
Having explained thus my opinion about yourself and your disciple,
I don't feel the faintest interest to read your "Divine Messages"
about "true knowledge".
Hope that helped.
Greetings
Kabir.
Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:58 am
Message #23864 of 31773
[°-:)] Re: Does the Lord require help of human beings in His work?
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, Beloved Paddy <pa_dd_y@y...> wrote:
>
> There is no suffering.
> There is no cause for suffering.
> There is no end to suffering.
> There is no way.
>
> I love that.......
> thanks kabir...
You got it, that this is from the Heart Sutra
by Buddha Shakyamuni? So it's not me to thank.
greetingz
Mon Jan 9, 2006 11:52 am
Message #23855 of 31773
Re: Kabir's Krishnamurti Koan
> Oh, Kabir once used to go to 'Darshans'
> .. or as we say now: 'Satsangs'
> or as we called it 'lecture' or 'discourse'
> being with Osho ...
The function of a Darshan is to transmit Energy
(though that's often in vain - see N0by's Darshan
picture and read what Bhwagwan said to him then).
A Satsang is there to be able to live one's Energy
truthfully (though often the leader is the only one
able to live and express his Energy truly)
A lecture is there to a) soften, twist, bend, break the
listener's mind, b) reduce the listeners' self-determination by
forcing them to sit still or reduce their egos in other was - e.g. by
showing them how stupid they are, c) entertain the listeners
to keep them longer in the Energy-field of the Master and his
advanced helpers (front-seat phenomenon).
While the function of this email list is to release N0by's and my
sadistic phantasies in a harmless (i.e. non-physical) way.
Love and Kisses
Kabir
Mon Jan 9, 2006 6:41 am
Message #23854 of 31773
Re: Onboard Editor & Kabir ... / Hans, n0by, all ...
--- Veet Tom wrote:
> I say this because, n0by said,
> that Kabir has gone again ...
> (n0by got eyes for that man !)
N0by is an old, under-worked "Bild" - reporter
(a German tenpenny newspaper).
To have some new introductory line each time
when he feels like emptying his digital camera unto
my servers, where he has his site hosted (and is
paying for it voluntarily and regularly - thank you),
so each time he feels this urge, he start as if
responding to some other posting, adds some "news"
as spice for the reader and then goes off with his
own business.
And if he has no news, he just invents that I have
gone away, brought to the mental asylum or the like.
As moderator of the group he has the power to
unsubscribe as well as subscribe me as he pleases,
which he often misuses, so that he just can have a
new/old news headline ... "Kabir has left" ...
"Kabir has come again" ... from time to time even
inventing lectures "Kabir has written to me in private"
and all that other marketing stuff he has copied from
Osho ("any news is good nesw") and mixed into his "Bild"-mind.
> (Sorry to insult you now, Kabir !
> Will try to say it more lovingly !
When you try to be lovingly, Thomas,
well, how to say it, but, why don't
you stick to your true essence and keep
on insulting? Just for the sake of your
soul and my intestines, hhhmmm?
> Have still to find out, that you
> are not what I thought you were,
> but I have started to recognize
> you, just some hours ago ...
> Yes, I got that smell of the
> salty ocean in the nose again,
> when I read you here - don't want
> to insult you anymore ...)
Same with me towards you.
The sunset, the birds, the waves on the
shore, the smell of wrotten fish...
Excuse my poetic language, I just want to
be polite towards poor, lonesome Tom.
> n0by ... really had the typical
> mimikry of a follower...
But as a good disciple he has reached
the point where he is ready for the next
level of teachings, nearly ready to be send
off on it's own. At least ready to hear the
truth about himself...
No politeness is Master's politeness.
> Because I still look down at nOby
> sometimes, and see his actions with
> disgust, I could not look directly
> towards Kabir - I had to make jokes
> about those two, as 'master and servant'.
I think, you look down at everybody,
not only at N0by. N0by is just a good
screen to project one's uglyness upon
(especially the moustache in my opinion).
> Now I can see, even nOby has clear
> eyes to recognize a true man - but I
> 'came to see this because of Kabir, not
> because of nOby - sorry nOby !
Thank you very much and heartfully for
your profound and unselfish sharing,
Veet Fish... aeh Tom.
With Light and Love
Kabir
Mon Jan 9, 2006 6:26 am
Message #23851 of 31773
Re: Does the Lord require help of human beings in His work?
Just reacting to the subject line as I don't read divine messages
- prefering direct contact.
Of course the whole is in need for humans.
But it's to help her play, not work. The term "work"
is the interpretation of His Holiness Shri Datta Swami,
as you call her/him.
Obviously Shri Datta tries to create suffering with his
teaching (or has a very bad interpreter), why else replace
"leela" with "work"?
Perhaps a daily recitation of the Heart Sutra might help...
There is no suffering.
There is no cause for suffering.
There is no end to suffering.
There is no way.
And - most important of all at the moment:
there is no Holiness Shri Datta Swami.
Except in you holiness-greedy head.
And in your head (forgive me this little
mind-reading), it's doesn't sound like
"His Holiness Shri Datta Swami" but rather
like "My Holiness Shri Datta Swami".
Please give Shri Datta my greetings and tell her,
she should clean the minds of her disciples herself,
and not send them to N0by group for a good brain wash
- especially with such dirty, clotty minds.
Shri Datta got his payment and presents for this cleaning
work allready (and is probably still getting it), while this
group is a free, voluntary service and not to be misused
for commerical means.
Greetings from the city of the Bavarian angels.
Kabir
Mon Jan 9, 2006 5:48 am
Message #23828 of 31773
Re: Spirituality is an abscess of the ego
Veet,
> > ... But about yourself, about your
> > strive for enlightenment you have learned nothing.
>
> Did I say so ?
Why does the ego allways think,
that it is important, what it says?
I act according to how I sense you, feel you,
think you to be. That is I act according to what
develops between us - as seen from my side.
What you say may be the trigger or may be not.
Look for example this book "Karl" you came along
with. You expected me to react to the book,
but I reacted to you coming with a book rhe
way you did.
> It seems, you took n0by for granted, when he
> wrote my 'enlightement-proclamation - right ?
I did not read this, he just told me you proclaimed
your enlightenment in the Hamburg Sannyas list.
So you didn't. But, well, somehow the show fits,
doesn't it?
And then there is this subconscious thing, which I know
by personal experience, that somehow we start believing that
we know what enlightenment is, only because we have heard it
so often. Mind is tricky and Sannyas mind is especially tricky.
> He wanted to hurt me a little, after having misused
> his power in the Hamburger Sannyas Liste and
> threw all members out of the group ...
"misuse" - stop whining and stick to reality. There is
no such thing as misuse in nature. "Mount Etna misused
his lava to destroy Pompeji" ... what bullshit.
Or: "The scorpio misused his sting to kill the turtle
in the middle of the river." Misuse implies that the two
of you had an agreement, which he broke. If you had been
a little more aware, you would have seen, that N0by is a born
agreement-breaker - especially in the internet. When you see
people as they are, you can trust (e.g. trust N0by that he breakes
agreements in cyberspace).
> At that time he was so angry about me, having
> mirrored his fashistic intolerance and controle
> as my moderator of that group - he wanted to really
> say something very nasty - and so he snearingly
> did his writer's job in my name ...
Great. The shoe fits.
> Hah, n0by impressed you - cause you wanted to
> be impressed by your 'follower' (your only one yet)
N0by is not my follower - it was one of his games to
insult me by playing my follower and meanwhile it looks like,
as if all persons who know both of us and have a problem
with follow-ship interprete that into our relationship.
That you believe that, tells more about yourself than about
N0by or me. Really. No fuss.
> But it was just one of n0by's gloated joys ... Haha !
I still believe that you believe to know what enlightenment is.
> > Spirituality is used by the soul, by the sadguru
> > to make the ego go to places and persons where
> > it would usually never ever dream about going to except
> > in it's nightmares. Spirituality is basically used
> > by the sadguru to make the ego suffer.
>
> That's what you do to me right now, (Satguru) making
> me going again to this place of nightmares here, where
> one ego tries to cure another ego - since ages ...
> a place called: HELL !
Yes, you are right - with one exception: I'm not making you
do anything. I'm not your satguru.
> And here we are - So enjoy, Kabir !
Bullshit. You play the detached. But you are not detached for
my feeling, you are deep in it, sometimes perhaps even drowning
in it. And with "it" I mean your own inner and outer (but mostly
inner) emotional, energetical, spiritual situation.
You are the problems you believe to have. But you don't "have" them,
you "are" them.
That's my opinion.
> Madam Devil - I wish she could read that !
> haha ... Yes, she was my great female devil !
What is "Deva" different? But each woman has this quality,
Deva's are only extreme in it. What quality? Being irrational,
being able to break a rational mind into little pieces without
doing much.
> When will you open your own ashram, liveing Kabir ?
> The time is not ripe yet ?
> Well, take your time needed ... or whatever ...
Ha! If that ever happens, KEEP OFF.
But that's an advice useful for any ashram, I think.
> > But you took the ego-exit, Veet, you gave up after one
> > or two tries. And a year later you claim to be enlightened,
> > I've heard.
>
> One or two tries ?
> No, I tried that for more than year !
> ... somehow ...
That's good. I mean as a preparation for the next...
Just imagine what would have happened if you succeeded?
Lived together in a one room appartement?
Seven years or more are not uncommon, when I look at
the lives of some.
> Yes, my 'abscess' his hurting, but also
> being hopefully frustrated ...
Again this hope.
> Hmmm, can't really follow you now.
> you have made up a picture of me, and
> it seemst you can't correct the picture,
> but need to correct me ...
Boah! Therapeutic wishy-washy!
What do you think, *you* are doing?
You must really have an extremely low self
confidence to take refuge in such cheap
techniques.
Perhaps my picture about you is not as wrong
as you would like it to be. Just ask others,
what they think about you, how they feel about you.
Jivano
Sat Jan 7, 2006 4:44 pm
Message #23826 of 31773
[°-:)] Re: [°-:)] Zazen!
Hi Paddy,
you wrote:
> hope I am wrong.....
That's an interesting statement
with a lot of possible stories developing.
"Idiana Jones and the Lost Hope"
Jacky Chan: "This smells of trouble,
I hope I'm wrong."
Schwarzenegger: "Looks like I need to
come again - hope I'm wrong."
Old Greek: "I hope, therefore I am wrong"
Tweety: "You hope to get me, Pussycat,
but you are wrong."
Kabir: "I know I am wrong."
Some other: "I hope, you are wrong."
What will be your movie? Monty Python like
"The Meaning of Being Wrong" ?
Sat Jan 7, 2006 3:32 pm
Message #23814 of 31773
Hi zenmoon, two questions which are essentially the same
When did you hear J.Krishnamurti?
When did it happen that Chiyono's bucket broke?
I answer to both questions:
"It has never happened,
it's just fiction."
But what do you say?
Kabir
--
When I met J. Krishnamurti in the 1980ies in Saanen,
the following Interaction took place between me
and him. Could anybody solve this koan for me, please?
J.KRISHNAMURTI: Have you heard the question?
KABIR: Could you repeat it?
J.KRISHNAMURTI: Did you ever listen to me or that plane passing?
KABIR: My hearing aid is broken.
J.KRISHNAMURTI: Listen with your heart.
KABIR (after some pause): Let me be your disciple.
Please give me a personal koan to work on.
J.KRISHNAMURTI: Get a new hearing aid.
KABIR: Haeh?
J.KRISHNAMURTI: GET A NEW HEARING AID !!!!
KABIR: What has that to do with truth or silence?
J.KRISHNAMURTI: Nothing, but it has to do with you.
KABIR: Ok, but can I switch it off at home?
I'm living near the airport and these airplanes...
I hate their noise. That's why I actually never put
batteries into my hearing aid, hahaha. And it's much
cheaper that way. I don't even need a functioning hearing
aid, just a broken one would do. And I don't need to visit
the doctor also, I just pretend to be deaf and dump,
then I can sleep undisturbed.
J.KRISHNAMURTI: Then why do you use a hearing aid at all?
KABIR: Because of the placebo effect - I cannot sleep
without it. And it's much more polite, if I don't want to
do what others tell me, also.
J.KRISHNAMURTI: Then why are you using your hearing aid at
this meeting?
KABIR: I work here, I'm the audio engineer.
J.KRISHNAMURTI: I see. Thank you all for your questions.
KABIR: You are wellcome.
Sat Jan 7, 2006 11:26 am
Message #23803 of 31773
Re: Karl for Kabir
--- "veetthomas" <veetthomas@y...> wrote:
> ..., unenlightened asshole !
>
> OK now ? Did you like that too ?
Yes man, that's great! I brought you
a step closer to your feelings! That's
a bigger resurrection than Joshua ever
did 2000 years ago. Hahaha!
But *real* feelings are allways accompanied
by helplessness. And for that a Deva is needed.
Are you ready or do you still prefer "enlightenment"?
> Well, then back to the only text
> ever written - we are all reading -
> just for fun ...
You are reading a different text than I do,
let's not forget that.
> And love a warm, strong women
> for me next time you do it ...
I allready do love a wonderful, intelligent
Lady, and not only from time to time.
But I don't do that for you, Tweety.
Greetings from the universal cat.
Sat Jan 7, 2006 4:52 am
Message #23802 of 31773
Re: Spirituality is an abscess of the ego
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "veetthomas" <veetthomas@y...> wrote:
> Sorry Kabir,
>
> but this time you really failed,
> and very impressively too ...
>
> That abscess of the ego has to be there,
> in the first place, or it can never make
> the non-existing ego dissolve.
No. Spirituality is not dissolving the ego.
Just look at yourself - twenty years of spirituality
and you are still fighting the old male fights
about "I know better". But about yourself, about your
strive for enlightenment you have learned nothing.
Spirituality is used by the soul, by the sadguru
to make the ego go to places and persons where
it would usually never ever dream about going to except
in it's nightmares. Spirituality is basically used
by the sadguru to make the ego suffer.
That's why I thought, you would somehow "make it", Veet,
when you created for yourself this intermezzo with
madam devil one or two years ago. If you had both been
in the same ashram it would have been a perfect situation:
you follow your feeling by falling into one bowdown after
the other in front of her, whenever you can arrange it,
and she follows her feeling by stepping on your fingers,
whenever it's possible for her. While the leader of the
ashram would look into putting you two as close together,
as is possible without risking a murder (or even with taking
the risk). A perfect spiritual situation.
But you took the ego-exit, Veet, you gave up after one
or two tries. And a year later you claim to be enlightened,
I've heard.
> Of course, I also write about things now,
> I have yet not taken by my own steps, but
> I feel this may not happen at all, cause
> it is also just a concept ...
Aaaah, you think and write about things and concepts!
Wonderful! Magnificent! You are on your way, no, not
only on your way, but very advanced allready!
Veety-Tweety, according to my observation, you took
the ego exit about two years ago. Spirituality for a man
is to let the devils dance on one's fingers, at least the
femal ones. But you pulled the emergency brake and took the
"enlightenment" exit.
Michael
Sat Jan 7, 2006 4:36 am
Message #23794 of 31773
Spirituality is an abscess of the ego.
--- "veetthomas" <veetthomas@y...> wrote:
>
> Very well served Kabir,
>
> ... and very true I guess
> especially what you spoke
> about that warm and strong
> women. Yes !
Ah, du kannst ja doch anders, sorry.
> P.S.
> Und lies Dir bitte mal den Karl
> durch, den ich hier für Dich
> und Ali und andere englische
> Deutsche poste, ja ?
> Könnte Dir evtl. gut gefallen ...
Mich interessiert aber Erleuchtung und Meister und der
ganze spirituelle Dreck nicht mehr, kapierst du das nicht?
Spiritualität ist nicht die Medizin, sondern ein Symptom der
Krankheit - und zwar ein relativ heftiges und akutes Symptom.
When you proclaim this book "Karl", it's about yourself and for
yourself and perhaps for people like yourself (e.g. Ali).
But for me the recipe for your grandma's apple pie would be
much, much, much more interesting, than any texts about masters,
enlightenment and the rest. You may feel like showing your
"spirituality" to the world, but for me it's like
"gee, look how ill I am".
And this Karl was perhaps only writing this book, AFTER he
got sane again. So leave me alone with this book and use the
opportunity to talk with me in person. And push the book back
to where it belongs: up your ... head.
Real spirituality is goddam certainly not about learning,
you idiot. It's about coming down from your high horse.
Or what do you think do they do in a Zen Monastery?
Reading books? Or cleaning the floor?
Sat Jan 7, 2006 12:24 am
Message #23792 of 31773
Re: Karl (für deutsche n0byisten und für Kabir)
--- "veetthomas" <veetthomas@y...> wrote:
> Die folgenden Dialoge sind Proben aus dem Buch von Karl Renz:
> "Das Buch Karl", Kamphausen Verlag, 150 S., 16,50 Euro
> (hier auch zum Download als Acrobat-pdf-Datei, 130 kB)
Mensch, Veety-Tweety,
das ist ja absolut uninteressant und langweilig. Du kommst mir
hier mit Buchwissen, kopierst meilenweit Text aus einem Buch.
Hast du sie noch alle? Kannst du mit lebenden Menschen überhaupt
nicht mehr reden, sondern nur noch mit Büchern und mittels Büchern
kommunizieren?
Bei mir hast du dich mokiert über "Lectures" und was machst du hier?
Hör' mit den Scheiss auf, oder rede in Zukunft mit dir alleine,
du Arschloch, du erleuchtetes.
Fri Jan 6, 2006 11:53 pm
Message #23789 of 31773
[°-:)] Re: Enlightenmment (Beyond pseudo- Kabir)
Hi Valerie,
yeah, this egocentric behaviour is everywhere. But now and then,
unexpectedly I stumble over a person who is a little more human.
Seldom, but possible everywhere, even in "religious/spiritual"
circles - even in me, sometimes.
Blessing
Michael
Fri Jan 6, 2006 11:43 pm
Message #23776 of 31773
Re: Enlightenmment (Beyond pseudo- Kabir)
--- In "veetthomas" <veetthomas@y...> wrote:
>
> ... and Kabir is the greatest clever idiot for
> us free n0byists - our great Wanna-Look-Through !
>
> ... and n0by feels Kabir is so great, because he
> has freed himself from Osho - or never fell into
> that Guru-disciple-ditch ... a master himself !
>
> ... just another idiot ... our proud Kabir ...
>
> Welcome in the club, Kabir !
> And keep on lecturing - They need you here !
Hi Tweety-Veety,
you must be pretty lonesome, that you write to me.
Or was it just the dirty word "enlightenment" which
triggered your reaction?
Anyway, I cannot ignore such a loud and direct call for help.
I know you need me to get rid of your enlightenment,
but I will not fight with you for it, just keep it.
You are the only one who's interested in it anyway. :)
Regarding lecturing, btw, you can have the job as far as
I am concerned. But be warned, lecturers are not very welcome
in the spiritual scene - there are too many allready.
Listeners are quite more seldom - and more valued, believe me.
Just look at yourself - what wouldn't you do for a strong,
soft woman listening to you attentively?
Veet - you are not that.
--
This free lecture was brought to you by Munich Monster Masters.
Fri Jan 6, 2006 7:18 pm
Message #23774 of 31773
[°-:)] Re: journey
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, v <beatha@a...> wrote:
> Harm no one.
Not even the cancer?
You are still dreaming. Sleep well.
Fri Jan 6, 2006 5:55 pm
Message #23768 of 31773
Re: GREETINGS with Love
Nice. greetings back.
Sw. Jivano
Fri Jan 6, 2006 5:23 pm
Message #23767 of 31773
Re: Detached, Alien and Remote ... !!!
> Nothing is worth glinging to,
Then why do you repeat your scriptures again at again
until the death comes?
Fri Jan 6, 2006 5:19 pm
Message #23766 of 31773
Re: journey
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, v <beatha@a...> wrote:
> I wonder if there is a way to fit into a
> material world AND be *enlightened*?
> the ego is the tool we use to navigate this
> material world - this maya.
>
> Tis said it's not the destination
> but the journey.
>
> I think that when/if ever am *enlightened*,
> must head deeper in the wilderness and
> be very quiet and tell no one.
>
> until then, I am satisfied with the journey.
No, you are not. That is a lie. Part of the slavery slang.
Hankering for, thinking, talking about "enlightenment" as if you
knew what it was, and then repeating the spiritual slave language
like a parrot.
Shame on you!
Fri Jan 6, 2006 5:17 pm
Message #23764 of 31773
Re: Enlightenmment (for Valerie)
Hi Valerie,
you wrote:
> And, just because one is an ex-Sannyasin does NOT guarantee
> *enlightenment*, and is no excuse for abusing people,
> as they have done and possibly continue to do - because of having
> the largest EGOS of any people i have met anywhere on net ...
I think, you misunderstand that, Valerie.
The Sannyasins (and for that matter many other disciples of
similiar spritual schools, though Osho's Neo Sannyasins are the
most prominent in these aspects), well, the Sannyasins *have*
to abuse, because they have been abused themselves for sooo long.
And they *have* to claim having reached enlightenment and *have*
to believe it themselves, because that was the bait with which they
have been leaded into their spiritual slavery. When you force a human
for years on his/her nose ring, he/she starts to believe that this
nose ring is of special value, is not only of pure gold, but something
truely holy. It's simply a psychological neccessity, otherwise the
pain of the enslavery would be too much.
Osho was very fond of working with opposites. With the some hundred
Sannyasins, who were ready to subdue their ego-interests under the
dictatorial structures of the commune, with those - or better: on
those - he worked to reduce their egos. But with the hundredthousands
of others, who were not ready to follow, with those - on those -
he used the law of opposites. He helped them to grow their ego to
the fullest and pressed their mind into an unbelievable cleverly
spun net of spiritual/mental slavery.
Most of the Osho Sannyasins are of the second kind.
That's why they behave as they do. They have been lacking the guts
or intelligence to accept (any more?) ego-reduction, hence they claim
to have "reached". One cannot even tell them that they are spiritual
slaves without becomeing the projection screen for all their
subconscious pain and hate - that's why I told all that to you,
Valerie :).
With love
Jivano
Fri Jan 6, 2006 5:05 pm
Message #23763 of 31773
Re: Bringing happiness
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, Caminamos <caminamosnet@y...> wrote:
> Be generous in smiles, hugs and good wishes.
Absolutely.
I wish you drop dead and never, never again write or speak
a single word to anybody else. You are simply spoiling the hearts
of the persons who are misfortunate enough to take you for real.
<smile>
Fri Jan 6, 2006 3:55 pm
Message #23762 of 31773
Re: Invitation to winter-sunset and Stockholm (to Kabir)
My God, N0by,
can't you just posz your fotos and tell your stories?
Why do you have to use such flowery phrases which are essentially
meaningless.
> I didn't answer your last mail to me in public.
> I have to think and feel deep to answer to your wise words...
> but i answered it to myself.. (you suggest this in your sermon
> which n0by appreciate very much and he put it in introduction
> words to new members )
Fuck you, slimey.
> and I think it is best to invite you to watch sunset which i
> enjoyed in November and December..
To watch what - a sunset in the past? Not really.
In fact you want everybody to watch your fotos
and read your stories. You just hate it to be ignored.
You learned the twisted Sannyas/seeker/therapeutic language
and use it to get acclamation from the twisted Sannyasins,
seekers, neurotic persons in this list.
> I don't think of you as King Kong...but watching sunset...
And of course, you like to provoke and insult as ever
and have "refined" your style, so that the insult is not
obvious (you think).
Insult by flattery. Not bad.
But I think, you can do better.
I think you can be more authentic, just shoot your fotos,
tell your stories, say what you want. And stop licking everybody
shoes, stop bowing down to each and every reader or writer
in this list of idiots, - it's a pretended bow down anyway.
And pretention cuts your own fingers.
Jivano
Fri Jan 6, 2006 3:51 pm
Message #23672 of 31773
Re: [°-:)] Happy New Year to nobody
Onitamo,
one has to be very careful these days, the world is full
of fakes, and the "modern" spiritual scene grows and fosters
spiritual fakes in thousands (which is a direct outcome of Osho's
teaching methods in my opinion, but that's a different story).
So the first thing I do, when I come into contact with somebody
is an emotional (or "belly") check without reading too much (or
without listening to the words, if it's a personal encounter).
I just "get a feeling", you know. Good salesmen, very, very good
salesmen can influence that also - or at least they try to, with
appearance, gestures, body language, environment of the sales
room or other indirect methods (for example car salesmen like
to have a big sign "sold" on some of their cars, which you can see
before you meet them).
Yet non-verbal influence is not as easily cluttered and manipulated
as the verbal one, it's a more direct, more archaic "information
channel". That's why a picture is important for me, or to hear
somebodys voice over the phone (or to get the smell of someone etc.).
Having said that, let me talk about what you wrote to me:
> but you are talking about 'wordless' and worthless..
ACCORDING TO YOUR FEELING:
was I talking 'about' or 'from'?
> and you say also..
>
> About the yourney we can talk, up to the
> the last step we can describe..
>
> isn't it all just journey?
This is a set phrase in the modern spiritual environment.
Please ask me personal questions, if at all.
> and 'entertainment'
>
> (as Osho said somewhere..)
Have you been there when he said it?
If so: what did you feel then and there?
Do you want to talk about Osho with me,
or do you want to use Osho to avoid personal exchange?
I have been a Sannyasin for some time and I'm
now free from him, so I can share from different
perspectives. But is this Osho really the number 1
on your list regarding me?
> nice to meet you as one of travelers on my path..
Said one suitcase to the other.
But what does your traveller respond?
I know allready the meaning of her first sentence,
when you read my post; because you made contact,
it must have been something like: "Suitcase!
Make contact with that old knapsack over there."
But what is your traveller saying now?
Mine says: "Please bow down to that other Lady".
I'm happy to do so. And I'm touched about the
'Please' she uses, because that was not allways so.
Kabir
Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:15 am
Message #23668 of 31773
Re: Happiness for nobody
Thank you, Ali.
Happiness for you, too.
Fri Dec 30, 2005 6:18 pm
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