NEW THEORY ON PYRAMIDS OF GAZA (OZAY) Wed Dec 5, 2007 12:14 pm
NEW THEORY ON PYRAMIDS OF GAZA II (OZAY) Wed Dec 5, 2007 7:17 pm
NEW THEORY ON PYRAMIDS OF GAZA III (OZAY) Wed Dec 5, 2007 7:28 pm
A THORN IN THE ARSE IS BETTER THAN A CUP OF TEA...LOL (OZAY) Wed Dec 5, 2007 9:49 pm
Re: NEW MUDDLE OF THE UNIVERSE (Eric) Thu Dec 6, 2007 12:01 am
LEVELS OF EGOISTICAL MATURITY? (OZAY) Thu Dec 6, 2007 12:55 am
Re: NEW MUDDLE OF THE UNIVERSE (Bilbo) Thu Dec 6, 2007 1:13 am
So many posts poor Ozay needs ... Fr 07.12.2007 00:13
Re: NEW MUDDLE OF THE UNIVERSE / Hihihi Michael Fr 07.12.2007 05:59
N0by, you *#+§!%&=* IDIOT !!! Fr 07.12.2007 17:30
OZAY AND BILBO - OUR NEW THE ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS Sa 08.12.2007 03:11
OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS II Sa 08.12.2007 03:15
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS III Sa 08.12.2007 03:18
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS IV Sa 08.12.2007 03:21
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS V Sa 08.12.2007 03:23
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS VI Sa 08.12.2007 03:25
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS VII Sa 08.12.2007 03:30
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS VIII Sa 08.12.2007 03:37
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS IX Sa 08.12.2007 03:56
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS X Sa 08.12.2007 04:24
BILBO WANTS TO UNDERSTAND Sa 08.12.2007 09:30
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY MASTERS XI Sa 08.12.2007 09:48
BILBO WANTS HIS BALLS BACK Sa 08.12.2007 11:39
OZAY'S TRUTH IS ONLY HALF THE TRUTH - AT MOST Sa 08.12.2007 16:23
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS XII Sa 08.12.2007 16:40
Re: MICHAEL, EVERY WORD UNTERED IS A LIE.(6) Sa 08.12.2007 18:33
Re: BILBO WANTS HIS BALLS BACK II So 09.12.2007 12:26
Re: NEW MUDDLE OF THE UNIVERSE / Hihihi Michael / Muddletov (Hans) So 09.12.2007 12:34
Noby, this is no forum, this is a dump. Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:57 am
gimme a break Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:00 am
gimme a break II Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:08 am
n0by and: THE NEW FORUM (Thomas) Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:04 am
n0by and: THE NEW FORUM (Thomas) Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:30 am
hi (n0by) Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:13 am
n0by and: THE NEW FORUM (Bilbo) Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:18 pm
eviction, death, or whatever (James Wyly) Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:28 am
With Wonders of Writing... (n0by) Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:34 am
Wee (n0by) Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:47 am
Wee (Daniel O' Hanlon) Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:49 am
With Wonders of Writing... (n0by) Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:12 pm
Little story to hang onto your Christmas tree. (Eric) Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:01 am
To every thing there is a season (Bilbo) Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:31 am
To every thing there is a season (Paddy) Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:47 am
fate or future (Paddy) Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:57 pm
fate or future (Eric) Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:57 am
fate or future / mule or muture (Hans) Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:28 am
fate or future (Jeeva) Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:58 am
fate or future (Eric) Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:03 am
Re: fate or future (Hans) Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:45 am
Re: fate or future (Hans) Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:32 pm
Re: fate or future / mule or muture (Eric) Sun Dec 30, 2007 2:59 pm
NEW! FREE! - suggested read - important! A must read! Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:01 am
Re: Non Traditional Methods / Ka (CelticmoonDance) Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:45 pm
Re: Non Traditional Methods / Ka (CMD) Tue Jan 1, 2008 6:34 pm
OLD OZAY OF THE UNIVERSE (AS IF ANYTHING WAS NOT FROM THERE)
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, Ozay Rinpoche wrote:
>
>
> THE MYSTERIOUS IS ONLY MYSTERY WHEN YOU LACK THE TOOLS TO
> INVESTIGATE IT, OR YOU DO NOT WISH TO INVESTIGATE IT, AND DESIRE TO
> MAKE COMMENT, BELIEF NOT KNOWING, THEREFORE THIS CAN BE CONSIDERED
> AN IGNORANT ATTITUDE WHEN ONE MAKES COMMENT ABOUT THE MYSTRIOUS AND
> LABELS IT SO, FOR OZAY AS YOUR POINT DICTATES IT WAS MUCH LIKE THAT
> IN HIS EARLY STAGES OF UNDERSTANDING, SO IT IS A GOOD POINT, BUT AN
> EVOLVING SOUL AS WE ARE ALL HERE MEANT TO BE, BY THE NATURE OF OUR
> INNER UNIVERSAL EXPANSION, IS JUST THAT, "EVOLVING" AS FROM CHILD
> TO ADULT.
Oooooooozzzzaaaaayyyyyyyyy is relying on tools like SHOUTING and
CLAIMING ENLIGHTENMENT and ideas of improvement, because he cannot
stand the simple reality which has no need for Ozay's meanings and
Ozeay's excuses.
There is no tool which can be used
without the tool-use freezing you.
There is no way to go but no way, and that's what Ozay hates, 'cause
that would make his ENLIGHTENMENT EFFORTS MEANINGLESS. Hence Ozay
uses tools like cripples use crutches and sells them to receive
IMPORTANCE FROM OTHER CRUTCH-USERS. Importance which he is missing
from his SELF. Because importance, "evolving", and all the rest
of this precious holy scripture eating, which is called spirituality,
is simply mindfuck.
Reality is only energy - free from meaning, free from importance.
Free from Ozay(?). Is Ozay's reality really free from Ozay?
Or is Ozay's freedom free from reality?
Poor Ozay. Just give him a little attention to make him happy.
And the he will give you back, what change he has - like TOOLS
and BIG LETTERS.
Only FREEDOM HE CANNOT GIVE TO YOU,
CAUSE FREEDOM GIVEN IS NO LONGER FREEDOM.
Freedom and butterflies cannot be caught, touched or transmitted
without loosing their ability to fly. That's why a butterfly is used
as a symbol for the unbound and unboundable.
That's understandable even for stupid attention-beggars
like me, like Ozay, like you. Isn't it?
What other understanding does one need, but the
understanding that understanding is not needed?
What tools does one need than an open, empty hand
to receive the gift of loosing?
Jivano
Message #37786
Re: OLD OZAY OF THE UNIVERSE (AS IF ANYTHING WAS NOT FROM THERE)
Ozay is not moving a aingle fraction of an inch.
To speak to Ozay is meaningless, boring and frustrating.
OZAY IS NOT RECOGNIZING WHOM HE IS SPEAKING TO,
BUT RUNNING ALLWAYS THE SAME PROGRAM.
DIFFERENT MIXTURES OF LARGE LETTERS,
BUT CONSTANTLY WITH THE SAME TINY IDEAS.
No Entropy, no individual response, no life.
Jivanos fridge is making more different noises
within 15 minutes than Ozay is during a whole year.
This is where greed for enlightenment
has brought Ozays to: even UNUSABLE
FOR THE MUNICH FRIDGE ORCHESTRA.
OZAY IS CLAIMING ENLIGHTENMENT BUT HAS
NOT EVEN REACHED THE STATE OF A MYSTIC,
NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT BEING A TEACHER
AND LET'S NEVER SPEAK ABOUT MASTERY.
But that's ok for me - out of his big heart
Ozay is helping the universe to run this planet.
Like a child trying to help a master painter
by lumbering over the canvas with dirty feet.
So let him have the Noby list canvas, no problem.
If I want somebody to respond, I still have my fridge.
A cool fridge is better than colored feet.
Message #37787
OLD OZAY OF THE UNIVERSE (AS IF ...)
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, Ozay Rinpoche wrote:
> WHAT YOU AND MANY ARE NOT AWARE OF IS THIS: TIME IS RUNNING OUT,
Bullshit. Time is not running, time was even holdings it's breath
for a whole millenium to give man one chance after the other to learn
his kindergarden lession.
But man has repeated the same errors over and over again,
hence the consequences of his stupidity cannot
be held back any longer
even by Death,
the master
Message #37794
Re: A THORN IN THE ARSE IS BETTER THAN A CUP OF TEA...LOL
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Ozay Rinpoche" wrote:
> OZAY GIVE YOU PLEASURE OF HIS TIME.
Ozay is dreaming to be able to give something but himself.
> OZAY: IF THE SCHOOL CHILD IS UNWILLING TO LISTEN TO THE TEACHER
> HE WILL COME OUT OF THAT SCHOOL AND SAY IT WAS THE TEACHERS FAULT
Ozays vision is contorted by his wish to be a teacher.
> ... HE WILL SAY IT IS MEANINGLESS, BORING AND FRUSTRATING
> BECAUSE HE WAS TOO STUBBORN TO MOVE.
Being where I am, sitting silently or moving is enough movement.
Breathing is enough movement - that's called Life.
> IF TO SPEAK TO OZAY IS MEANINGLESS THEN WHY
> ARE YOU SPEAKING TO OZAY?
So Ozay is interestd in being interesting and to have a meaning
- this is not only useless but false teaching. False teaching
by a false teacher. Fals + false is not creating truth.
Ozay is simply Ozay, but that's not enough for him.
How could he help anybody to accept himself, if he is not even
accepting, that he is as he is, but strives to be what he is not?
Ozay is not a teacher, and that's good so.
> IS THIS GOODBYE ALREADY, AHHH WELL NICE TO
> HAVE MET YOU WHOEVER YOU ARE BYE XXXX
Try to meet yourself, Ozay.
There is nobody else to meet before that happened.
Give up your ideas, they are spiritualism-bullshit anyway.
> FOR SURE TINY IDEAS BUT HOW COME YOU GUYS FIND THE TRUTH SO HARD TO
> COMPREHEND?
Because "WE" guys try to get the truth.
Hence "WE" run around in search of the truth
while truth tries to catch us.
And Ozays "TEACHING" is giving more power to that
hide-n-seek game. If you are on need, you are on speed.
> AND WHY HAVE A MASTER SUCH AS OZAY HAVE TO SPEND SO MUCH
> TIME HELPING YOU UNDERSTAND THOSE TINY IDEAS?
Because
a) a master such as Ozay is not a master.
b) Ozay needs to balance his wanting-to-be-a-teacher Karma.
> OZAY:WHAT ENTROPY MEAN? SORRY OZAY TO THICK TO UNDERSTAND
> THAT WORD.
Ozay has not enough fingers to lookup a dictionary,
because all fingers are on the CAPS_LOCK?
> YOU WANT INDIVIDUAL RESPONSE THEN YOU CAN WRITE TO OZAY ON
> THIS EMAIL:
> abc_enlightenment@... <mailto:abc_enlightenment@...>
> AND OZAY WILL GIVE YOU INDIVIDUAL RESPONSE
If Ozay was capable of giving individual responses, why is he
not doing that in this list of more than 500 individuals?
Some people can walk on water,
but only Ozay tries to walk on hot air.
The rest of Ozays posting is again an endless repetition
of his old greed to be a teacher.
Re: NEW MUDDLE OF THE UNIVERSE
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Paroissien" <ericparoissien@...>
wrote:
> The mysterious is the bloodsucking parasite of spirituality,
> while spirituality is at its purest without the mysterious.
> The mind is plagued with the sense of self-importance, the mysterious
> is one of its aspects.
> In rare cases, people "in search of the miraculous" will hit the right
> place by mistake, but the direct path is in the simplicity of daily
> routine.
Yes.
> I don't expect more than two or three here to understand these simple
> facts, so don't bother if you disagree, there is no debate.
This indicates some sort of megalomania together with feeling
lonesome. You probably have many contacts with people, whom you
see to be inferior to you (e.g. the N0by-list). At other places there
are thousands, who would not only understand you, but have
lived your new wisdom already for decades and could express it
more pointedly and without your negativity. Friends who are more
of your spiritual age would have given you appropriate feedback
about such egocentric attitudes already. But as much as I got to know
you, you prefer to remain as you are without being criticized much.
Which seems to be a side effect of Gurdjieff's teaching methods.
He attracted students with that famous, yet unpoken marketing
strategy of his, which goes like: "Gee, look how rare, how esotheric,
exotic and special our school is! We even have a language of our own!"
You seem to have an idea, where to go now (some years ago your
expression was a little more chaotic for my feeling), but a lot of your
energy is still wasted on your specialness. Like a driver who
has a good map, but a car with a defect clutch. Motor is running
from time to time (otherwise your verbal expression would not be
as clear as it was in the beginning of the posting, I quoted above),
but somehow the tires lack the propelling power (or propell into
a useless direction). Clutch, gear, tires, steering - something in that
realm is not functioning according to cosmic laws.
Your car has lost contact with it's body and the street, Sir.
Greetings
Energy Mechanic
_________________________________________________________
Price of initial diagnosis: 0,- Euro, as advertised on channel 3.
Thank you for your confidence, please come again and tell your friends.
Re: LEVELS OF EGOISTICAL MATURITY?
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> OZAY: SOOOOO! THIS MAIL IS NOT INDIVIDUAL RESPONSE?
No. It's a prerecorded answer. Allways the same sort of music
is coming from your side of the wire. Changing disks,
but all are Vinyl-LPs from the last millenium - and from
one single hard metal singer of that time, too. OZAY! OZAY! OZAY!
Sometimes a little ray of understanding shines thru, sometimes
you even seem to have a feeling for people's problems, but the
basic beat is heavy metal: OZAY IS A MASTER, OZAY CAN HELP
YOU, OZAY IS ENLIGHTENED, OZAY CAN HELP YOU, BECAUSE OZAY IS
AN ENLIGHTENED MASTER, and so on and so forth until the sirens
of the ambulance come.
PUSHING, PUSHING, PUSHING, PUSHING. OZAY, OZAY, OZAY.
That's not helping anybody. You are simply stuck.
Not moving much except in circles aroung your own
imagined grandezzo. Spiritual Vinyl 33 1/3
Old and not very original. <urgs>
Sure, I'm expressing my vision about you, what else?
Are you such damned stupid and unresponding, to think
your vision is everybody's truth?
What did you smoke in the sixties?
Certainly I bring myself in, with all the experiences and faults
I have and managed to do up to now. So what? Do you relly believe,
you are doing better?
YOUR MASTER-ATTITUDE IS UGLY AND DOING MORE HARM THAN GOOD
- if it's doing anything at all, that is, than bolstering up
your cushion.
You lost your ego? No.
You only created a new, bigger, more shining MASTER-EGO for yourself.
STAINLESS, EVEN ACID-RESISTANT STEEL.
If that's the blue print for being an human on this planet,
then I'd better be born in another galaxy.
And yes, I try to destroy that.
Because for me it's fake and false -
wether you have the energy to admit
that to yourself or not,
is your business.
The art is to become less, not more.
No problem, if you don't get that.
But perhaps another soul in this list
is thus hearing a true word now and then
amongst all these other shouts for
MORE, MORE, MORE PLUS ENLIGHTENMENT!
my truth - not yours.
there is no true satisfaction in another man's truth.
Re: NEW MUDDLE OF THE UNIVERSE
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, bilbo fragments wrote:
>
> FASCINATING!
> but wait....what's the car mean? and what's the
> street?
Like to live other peoples lives and
take medicines not meant for you, hhmmm?
That's a good technique to avoid being criticized
yourself too effectively, isn't it?
A good friend of mine used to watch me first,
taking this or that "medicine".
A sure way to miss. AND a sure way to learn nothing,
because that way, one cannot even learn from one's
own errors.
So, stay cool and distant, Bilbo.
And be careful, if I come with an apple.
http://kabir.de/thief.html
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So many posts poor Ozay needs ...
... just to prove to himself, that he is a master.
But such a mastership smells of weakness and domination and has nothing to do
with the beyond, because the beyond guides silently thru unegoistic love and
complete softness and not thru domination or loudness.
Such a waste of energy ... sooo many arguments ...
... and only to resist the feeling of helplessness.
Ozay, that's fake strength.
But what to do - if just must do it, you must do it.
Enjoy your domination and Advaita Arguments - it's the only thing YOU have
anyway.
I have less than that, much less than that.
And that's wonderful. I no longer have the need to try to be the first in the
running circus game.
<yawn>
Sitting silently, sleeping, drinking tea - while Ozay's mind jumps up n down and
runs in circles.
This planet really is a weird place.
g'night
deleted: Fr 07.12.2007 05:59
Re: NEW MUDDLE OF THE UNIVERSE / Hihihi Michael
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "hans" <2007@...> wrote:
> -Good too see you again.
Howdy!
> It keeps being amazing to see that people do not see what everyone
> else seems to see so clearly.
> Especially Ozay Pin Roche and Eric Eifel Tower.
First the sump needs to be pumped out, before one can see the bottom.
Then clear sight comes on it's own. But wether somebody is ready to let loose
one's shit or only interested at stirring it around and around and throwing it
at others, I can often not see in advance.
And when I can see it, it might be against my feeling to avoid it alltogether.
I'm happy that I don't have to look at and respond to every piece by now - it
seems I did that long enough.
> My first B&B that I worked on the last 2 years is functioning since a
> few month.
> http://www.houseboathotel.nl/
> Mine is the one with the flags.
Great! But you are on the houseboat also, when you have guests, aren't you? Then
I suggest, that you add one photo from yourself (e.g. preparing the breakfast,
or bringing in some fresh bread for the morning or making the cat purr or the
like). You have a cat on the boat? People travel because they want to meet
people.
And the subconscious reacts on pictures - hence give their subconscious a chance
to decide where to go and what people to meet, too, I suggest. A picture where
your future guests can see your eyes including their color, would be best, I
think.
Nice time!
Michael
deleted: Fr 07.12.2007 17:30
Any outer master, any outer master,
has the job to bring you to the Inner Master.
When you have found your Inner Master
and have learned to follow Him/Her unconditionally,
then the job of all outer masters are done.
That's why claiming Osho to be one's master only shows, that one is stuck.
That's why Ozays insisting to be a MASTER is simply a domination trip.
That's why finding yourself you will find your Inner Master and vice versa.
And that's also why often resistance to surrender is resistance to go inside.
That can be helped and supported, but finally it cannot be done by somebody else.
deleted: Sa 08.12.2007 03:11
OZAY AND BILBO - OUR NEW THE ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS
Typical sucking technique: post, post, post until everybody else
is drowning in postings from our beloved enlightened masters.
Rule # 1:
Is does not count, what you have to say as long as you say it loud enough and
often enough.
deleted: Sa 08.12.2007 03:15
OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS II
Typical sucking technique: post, post, post until everybody else is drowning
in postings from our beloved enlightened masters.
Rule # 1:
Is does not count, what you have to say as long as you say it loud enough and
often enough.
deleted: Sa 08.12.2007 03:18
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS III
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael
Zimmermann" <michael_r_zimmermann@...> wrote:
>
> Typical sucking technique: post, post, post until everybody else is
> drowning in postings from our beloved enlightened masters.
AND THEN THEY SUCK THE GROUP-ATTENTION AND -ENERGY.
deleted: Sa 08.12.2007 03:21
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS IV
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael
Zimmermann" <michael_r_zimmermann@...> wrote:
>
> --- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Zimmermann"
> <michael_r_zimmermann@> wrote:
> >
> > Typical sucking technique: post, post, post until everybody else is
> > drowning in postings from our beloved enlightened masters.
>
> AND THEN THEY SUCK THE GROUP-ATTENTION AND -ENERGY.
>
ENERGY IS ENERGY -
IF ONE DOESN'T HAVE ANY QUALITY STANDARDS AND IS USED TO LIVE OF AND IN
NEGATIVITY ANYWAY...
deleted: Sa 08.12.2007 03:23
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS V
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael
Zimmermann" <michael_r_zimmermann@...> wrote:
>
> --- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Zimmermann"
> <michael_r_zimmermann@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Zimmermann"
> > <michael_r_zimmermann@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Typical sucking technique: post, post, post until everybody else
> > > is drowning in postings from our beloved enlightened masters.
> >
> > AND THEN THEY SUCK THE GROUP-ATTENTION AND -ENERGY.
> >
>
> ENERGY IS ENERGY -
> IF ONE DOESN'T HAVE ANY QUALITY STANDARDS AND IS USED TO LIVE OF AND
> IN NEGATIVITY ANYWAY...
>
... AND HAS NO FEELING FOR OR RESPECT TO OTHERS ALSO.
deleted: Sa 08.12.2007 03:25
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS VI
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael
Zimmermann" <michael_r_zimmermann@...> wrote:
>
> --- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Zimmermann"
> <michael_r_zimmermann@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Zimmermann"
> > <michael_r_zimmermann@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Zimmermann"
> > > <michael_r_zimmermann@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Typical sucking technique: post, post, post until everybody else
> > > > is drowning in postings from our beloved enlightened masters.
> > >
> > > AND THEN THEY SUCK THE GROUP-ATTENTION AND -ENERGY.
> > >
> >
> > ENERGY IS ENERGY -
> > IF ONE DOESN'T HAVE ANY QUALITY STANDARDS AND IS USED TO LIVE OF AND
> > IN NEGATIVITY ANYWAY...
> >
> ... AND HAS NO FEELING FOR OR RESPECT TO OTHERS ALSO.
>
But what I'm wondering about is:
why all this work first to become enlightened?
deleted: Sa 08.12.2007 03:30
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS VII
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael
Zimmermann" <michael_r_zimmermann@...> wrote:
>
> --- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Zimmermann"
> <michael_r_zimmermann@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Zimmermann"
> > <michael_r_zimmermann@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Zimmermann"
> > > <michael_r_zimmermann@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Zimmermann"
> > > > <michael_r_zimmermann@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Typical sucking technique: post, post, post until everybody
> > > > > else is drowning in postings from our beloved enlightened
> > > > > masters.
> > > >
> > > > AND THEN THEY SUCK THE GROUP-ATTENTION AND -ENERGY.
> > > >
> > >
> > > ENERGY IS ENERGY -
> > > IF ONE DOESN'T HAVE ANY QUALITY STANDARDS AND IS USED TO LIVE OF
> > > AND IN NEGATIVITY ANYWAY...
> > >
> > ... AND HAS NO FEELING FOR OR RESPECT TO OTHERS ALSO.
> >
>
> But what I'm wondering about is:
>
> why all this work first to become enlightened?
>
I MEAN: WHEN YOU START AS AN ENERGY-SUCKER AND END AS AN OZAY-ENLIGHTENED
MASTER,
you could have done nothing from the beginning, and would be better off.
deleted: Sa 08.12.2007 03:37
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS VIII
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael
Zimmermann" <michael_r_zimmermann@...> wrote:
>
> --- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Zimmermann"
> <michael_r_zimmermann@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Zimmermann"
> > <michael_r_zimmermann@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Zimmermann"
> > > <michael_r_zimmermann@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Zimmermann"
> > > > <michael_r_zimmermann@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Zimmermann"
> > > > > <michael_r_zimmermann@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Typical sucking technique: post, post, post until everybody
> > > > > > else is drowning in postings from our beloved enlightened
> > > > > > masters.
> > > > >
> > > > > AND THEN THEY SUCK THE GROUP-ATTENTION AND -ENERGY.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > ENERGY IS ENERGY -
> > > > IF ONE DOESN'T HAVE ANY QUALITY STANDARDS AND IS USED TO LIVE OF
> > > > AND IN NEGATIVITY ANYWAY...
> > > >
> > > ... AND HAS NO FEELING FOR OR RESPECT TO OTHERS ALSO.
> > >
> >
> > But what I'm wondering about is:
> >
> > why all this work first to become enlightened?
> >
>
> I MEAN: WHEN YOU START AS AN ENERGY-SUCKER AND END AS AN
> OZAY-ENLIGHTENED MASTER,
>
> you could have done nothing from the beginning, and would be better
> off.
>
OR IF YOU CHOSE OZAY AS A MASTER TO FOLLOW, WHY NOT BETTER BE BORN BLIND AND
DEAF AND WITHOUT FEET THEN?
That would at least reduce the bullshit one could emanate and copy during this
lifetime a little.
deleted: Sa 08.12.2007 03:56
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS IX
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, bilbo wrote:
>
> for me,it's never been about 'becoming'
> and so if anything,i play
> as far as quality,say of attention,that's such a subjective
> thing...people do the best they can,right?
Yeah, other pople do that, you don't for my feeling.
You have enough intelligence to see the stupidity of an ego in other people, I
bet.
Yet you use your intelligence only to comfort your ego behind your masks of
irony and "coolness".
So, from my point of view, you don't do your best,Bildo, you only do your
easiest.
Ozay for example is doing much more - he tries to change people.
Of course he cannot change anyone, because he refuses to change first, but he
tries. So he's doing bullshit, but he is doing something relatively original.
But you, Bilbo, simply play the spiritual skitch.
As I see you, you even use false pennies to get a free ride in the London tube,
because that's the only way for you to feel really cool.
Just my twopence :)
deleted: Sa 08.12.2007 04:24
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS X
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, bilbo fragments
<retroactivism2000@...>
wrote:
>
> ...i'm american,see?
My God! I mistook you for a British.
"Defendant," said the judge, "Why did you rape that female corpse lying at the
beach three times? Didn't you recognize the lady was already dead even before
you started?"
"Oh, that was a mistake, Your Honor," said Dildo, "I thought she was British".
> i've chosen all y'all as mad units to study,not
> necessarily copy...
> you seem like a pretty serious guy,but i get the
> humor,it's very dry,like a fine cabernet
> sauvignon-perhaps a mite bitter too-my fave!
> anyways...i like this thread...your attention is not
> lost on me! no one has interrupted you,may i ask why
> you came here -you have the floor!
I love raping British - spiritually.
If you want to be considered,
show a foto from yourself and speak
the truth about what you want here.
Even Mad Michael doesn't rape anybody.
deleted:
BILBO WANTS TO UNDERSTAND
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, bilbo fragments wrote:
>
> well,feelings,ooh! now we're getting somewhere....
> i feel flattered! i appreciate your attention in this matter! you
> seem to have what is commonly called a negative attitude...was it
> something i said?
> i'm deeply concerned about my impact in and on your
> attitudes...help me to better understand !
There it is already again - the negative attitude:
a)
being concerned about the impact you have on others and wanting to understand (instead
of - say - wanting to share from your essence).
That's basically an egoistic, possibly manipulative and ego-oriented attitude.
An attitude you share with Ozay as can be seen by the behaviour patterns of you
both here:
b)
Wanting to understand (as compared to - for example - being
open to be touched) or claiming to know (as in Ozays case),
which is the same dimension with a negative sign only.
People, who want understanding, want control.
c)
Hiding behind irony and aggressive communication style.
With these things, you are in good company on this list -
have a look - enough mirrors everywhere.
deleted: Sa 08.12.2007 09:48
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY MASTERS XI
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, bilbo fragments wrote:
>
> i asked you first,why you came here!
> i guess it was about a year ago when i first came here,and said i was
> looking fwd to talking with a bunch of smarties,as ozay spoke highly
> of this group,when i asked him if he knew of any 'better groups'-that
> was on the temple of enlightenment order-
> i don't think i was aware that this was a haven for 'misfit osho
> followers' or self-proclaimed 'gurus',
You amuse me.
A self-proclaimed master who likes to break other people's egos to avoid a look
at his own power trips, advocated this list to you and you were "not aware" that
misfits and self-proclaimed gurus would be all over the place?
A six to eight year old has more wisdom and deeper insights into the human
psyche.
So why am I here?
Well, it's part of my training as a teacher.
And as a real teacher is born as one and not proclaimed, I don't call it
training but rather call it "Life".
You see, at the moment I'm training to give to the egos what they want. I really
need training in that area, you know. ;)
Did I succeed to give you what you want?
deleted: Sa 08.12.2007 11:39
BILBO WANTS HIS BALLS BACK
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, dildo fragments
wrote:
> oh okay,because i pointed out your apparent negative
> attitude,you need to go ahead and say i have a
> negative attitude-wow that's pretty clever...
> dang!
You misunderstood me. So let me say it more pointedly.
You don't have a negative attitude, you are it.
Negative emotions, thoughts and experinces are the
building blocks of the ego, and you behave as if you
think, that's all you are.
> i'm open to suggestions,doc!
I already gave you a suggestion, which you didn't follow.
I told you to show your face. And of course that would
make you more vulnerable and take away a tiny bit of your
verbal-mind-oriented masquerading. For example the
masquerading to ask questions and play the listener (but
without any intention to change much of your behaviour
anyway).
> are you saying i should not be concerned how i affect
> people and their attitudes then? and how am i not open
> to be touched,you don't even know what i'm
> wearing....! did i not give you the floor,put the ball
> in your court,so t'speak?
Yes, you are right. You didn't show anything about you
and you don't give somebody else the ball. Probably
because you are afraid that it would happen again,
that your ball get's lost. But you need not fear that,
your balls have already been stolen long ago. That
fear is of the past.
And because of that experience and that fear, you became
conditioned to be concerned about how your behaviour may
affect other people and influence their attitude towards you.
Nearly everybody of us has been conditioned that way.
But that doesn't mean that the situation can be resolved
on the group level or by simply following somebody else,
who has regained his sensitivity and power again.
Fol lowing Ozay and caressing his balls are not going to give
you your individuality back.
As long as you are not ready to accept your inner situation
as something which is primarily (if not totally) your own
responseability, no master, mother, daddy, teacher, lover,
president, therapist, guru, fireman or sheriff can help you.
> ..and i'm already sharing my essence,which is kinda
> musky-nothing personal,necessarily
> i'm not hiding behind anything,but oh,the irony!
That's not your essence, that's your absence.
Of course, you are free to behave and act how you
see it to be appropriate for you. But the fact, that
you want my acknowledment for what you do
(as you just did as quoted above), is a direct pointer
to your traumata.
> hey,are we friends yet then?
No. The US-American need to "make" friends is the
direct result of having their balls sucked away by the
Am erican motherhood. A situation which can also be
seen for example by their need for father-figures (with
all these overcompensation - like being gun- and
power-savy, playing the world-sheriff, giving their
president dictatorial rights etc. - up to their fixation
on blow-jobs).
> how ironic,that the friendliest people get the
> least respect,huh?
Who's friendly here?
deleted: Sa 08.12.2007 16:23
OZAY'S TRUTH IS ONLY HALF THE TRUTH - AT MOST
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, Ozay Rinpoche wrote:
> OZAY:RULE # 2: IF YOUR FEET ARE NOT STANDING IN TRUTH THEN YOU WILL
> NOT STAND STRONG ENOUGH TO SUSTAIN ANY DEPTH OF DISCUSSION, THEREFORE
> HE WHO STANDS LAST IS HE WHO STANDS ON THE FOUNDATIONS OF TRUTH.
By that rule
the white man exercising genocide
on 11 million red Indians was standing on truth while the Indians were not.
Ozay perhaps found
what he has searched
and worked for: power for himself.
But obviously he has not lost
his appraisal for power.
All power is Allah's, none is mine.
Computers are more intelligent than humans; they start counting from zero and
not from one.
Having found is half of the circle - at most.
I think, it's one third at most.
Perhaps you'd like to read something by Michael Barnett for a change?
Masters are best when not yet dead, you know?
For example
The Arrow of Man: The Search for Meaning Beyond Enlightenment
which I have not read by the way - that's just a title which I thought might
interest you. I met Michael in person three times.
Why not give yourself a chance to meet him, too?
While he is still best, I mean.
Don't wait too long, he's allready old.
But meeting him is worth any money.
http://michaelbarnett.net/
deleted: Sa 08.12.2007 16:40
Re: OZAY AND BILBO OUR NEW ENERGY SUCKING MASTERS XII
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, Ozay Rinpoche wrote:
>
>
> IALMAO
>
>
>
Alamo? You are still proud about Alamo?
Or are you still needing those infamous little black magic things with acronyms
to influence the subconscious?
Better don't do that - magic fires back.
Your power-trippiness may already be
the result of such a rebound.
deleted: Sa 08.12.2007 18:33
Re: MICHAEL, EVERY WORD UNTERED IS A LIE.(6)
Ozay, your megalomania has already destroyed your ability to see
clearly and without prejudices.
If you ever had this ability at all, that is,
- except as a baby.
Ozay, you don't see me and you don't get what I say.
You see only your nightmarish dream of enlightenment and you only listen to your
own projections.
Ozay, your existance is no falsification for the "rule", that anybody claiming
to be enlightened must be mentally inbalanced.
Anybody wanting to be something else than what he is,
is inbalanced. Anybody claiming to be somebody or something,
is not accepting how people see him, and not accepting his own
feelings to have the same value as the feelings of others.
deleted: So 09.12.2007 12:26
Re: BILBO WANTS HIS BALLS BACK II
That was no ass-kicking, which I did with dildo fragments, that was friendly,
very indirect feedback together with a mild theoretical lecture. The latter just
in case he had still a 0.01 percentage of a real seeker in him left - and also
because my viewpoint might have been of interest to others.
There is so much bullshit circulating in the normal news-channels that I myself
enjoy the standpoints of somebody not thinking in the usual trails, too.
I'm getting mild and old these days.
:)
deleted: So 09.12.2007 12:34
Re: NEW MUDDLE OF THE UNIVERSE / Hihihi Michael / Muddletov
Hi Hans,
feels good that B&B thing on your boat.
Sort of a good fit with your famous boat "hat". ;)
I'm sure, you enjoy it.
Blessings
Noby, this is no forum, this is a dump.
And those, who scream loudest for freedom and/or want to create
a new
free list, are those who are throwing their garbage the most.
Tomgarn for example is doing a similiar thing, which Ozay and his Dildo
are doing here, on another Forum.
"ACTIVE" garbage? Hhhhmm. Reactive garbage. Radioactive perhaps.
"FREEDOM"? Hhhhmm. Freedom to shit and dump garbage anywere
- worse than in India.
"LIGHT"? Well, the ever growing dump hill might be glowing greenish
in the dark, but that doesn't mean it's Greenpeace-approved biomass.
And it's not enough light to read.
Who wants to live or to exchange with his neighbours on a dump?
Who wants to be influenced himself by such a dump? If one stays longer
than three days, one's brain will look similiar.
Noby, your wish to create freedom failed. Because I think, the
original wish came out of a reaction already. They had created
your mind, your brain into a dump, and you tried to get rid of
it on your own. And in your reaction you though and perhaps still
think, freedom is freedom from any restriction, rules or authorities.
Regarding the outside, that may be the case - especially in such
societies as we live in nowadays. But regarding the inside, this
isn't holding true.
Some say "Freedom means to be God's slave." but this is old teaching.
Some say "You have to become God's servant." that's a little better.
I say "Make friends again with the Godlyness inside you" but I don't
know a practical way to do that, which does not start with discipline
or deep love and unconditional trust.
In your personal search for freedom, you have yourself spoiled
many others lists - intentionally. And many of them by violating
the set-up rules. Even from Neo-Sannyas you have been thrown out,
'cause you didn't want to follow the rules. Perhaps that's the
reason (read: Karma) why you still hold on to this list. I doubt,
that you enjoy to read many of the postings.
Anyway: it's your list, your Karma, your job.
But on this level and without the supervision and under the
rules of an aware spirit, the list is incapable of healing much.
At least your own garbage hill has not decreased thru it, since the
list existed. If your garbage has decrease a little (it's your's to
judge that, but I think, it did), then that was initiated in other
realms, in personal areas.
Time to look at your personal garbage, I think,
and stop throwing it at others.
If others still want to do that, which you did your whole life,
let them do it. But you yourself better walk into the direction
which really counts. the inner. Your inner for you, mine for me.
Why not give the list-ownership to that person, who posted most
during the last weeks? Why not simply give this list to Ozay?
:)
Good health to you and your "family"
- whosoever that might be.
Happy and Holy days.
And a really new year.
Ka
gimme a break
If you like to chat with me, including but
not limited
to the topic of "spirituality" <urgs>, you may do so at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nopath/
I need to relax fom this bullshit here and would like
to have some company, who are not that insane but
still are touched by spirituality.
Kabir
gimme a break
Re: gimme a break
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, bilbo fragments wrote:
>
> pity!
> i thought we were having fun!
Watching Ozay screwing you from behind (or you both everybody else)?
Not one of my favourite soap movies.
My joy lies in going to the ground and not paddling at the surface.
My ground - my joy. Your Ozay - your ass.
Kabir
Re: n0by and: THE NEW FORUM
Re: n0by and: THE NEW FORUM
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Thomas" <tomgarn@...> wrote:
>
> Hi n0by,
>
> are you interested at all in THAT subject,
> or did I rede mir mein Maul nur fusselig ?
>
> (did I talk in vain ...)
You love talking in vain, don't you?
Why else did Osho give you the name "Vain Thomas"?
OK, he said "Veet", but to give beautiful names was
part of his Sannyas-marketing. I'm sure now: he
must have meant "Vain". Or was it "Vanity"?
n0by and: THE NEW FORUM
to veet or to whimper
"Veet" means "beyond".
Tom - you are nicht ums Verrecken going beyond.
Throwing your stuff unto others, trying to manipulate like hell,
but going beyond? No, not to save your life, no.
N0by's liberation
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, <n0by4you@...> wrote:
> Living Kabir Michael wants people interested in 'spirituality'.
> Sorry, I have no idea, what 'spirituality' means.
For you, that can be easily translated into
Re: to veet or to whimper
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, dildo fragments wrote:
>
> wrong!
>
Oh, Ozays speaking dildo has spoken again.
Listen, listen, listen to the deep, profound wisdom!
My God, how I LOVE these heights of expressive,
insightfull, spiritual words dripping out of
the wonder-machine!
Man's development has really gone a long way from
ape to human, and then back to Ozay and finally his
dildo.
Halleluja! I even feel my third eye opening...
...don't worry, I'll take two Aspirins...
Re: eviction, death, or whatever
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "James Wyly" wrote:
>
> Knowledge does not come to
> us by organizational details,
> but by way of Light from Heaven!
Yes. But why are you writing soo much then?
Wounds of writing, writing of wounds...
--- N0by wrote:
> For years my efforts try to hold up to FREE SPEECH!
For years only? You mean: your whole life.
But there is no free speech without a free mind first.
Your mind is full of fixed ideas and traumata regarding free speech.
And most if not all of your dramas regarding censorship during the
last years are self-created. Out of your old traumata you recreate
your drama again and again. That's why you continue living in circles
and nothing really changes.
Sure, normal social life (or let's better call it "the normal inhuman life")
is full of persons and influences, which take children full of individuality
and create dump, cozy, willingless slaves out of them.
But the problem ist, that we have internalized all this crap already and take
it for real - like "freedom", which is mainly used as freedom on the outside
nowadays (that's why it is so easily manipulated by power politics).
Freedom has it's branches, leaves, fruits and flowers on the outside,
but it's roots are inside. Like your life-dramas - they happen on the outside,
but they have their roots inside you. Your inner dramas attract people like
Ozay, because the dramas want to come onto stage - the old wounds need
to come into your consciousness again, as only awareness heals such
wounds; in the shadow of the subconsciousness they cannot heal. A painful
truth, but that's how our body-psyche functions as I see it - and as I have
experienced it.
The holy days between the old year and the new one have allways been a good
time for me to look again at what had happened in my life and what I had
intended
to create.
Take a break and look again. Are you really ready to bring free speech
without having first created a free space in yourself and for yourself?
Nothing fancy or "esotheric" bullshit, just simple and straightforward.
For example: are you able to see my actions without an automatic
fight-reaction, when I decide to - say - limit your freedom of speech
in the area of my respondeability? Are you? Without panic, without
pain, without hatred, without over-reacting?
Ozay has his kinderdergarden enlightenment to boast about,
you have your endless story of missing freedom of speech
you play with in your internet sand pit.
N0by, you are both mentally insane, you as well as Ozay.
You both cannot accept limits and march over corpses so to
say to following your concepts. Only the concepts differ,
but the fact that you express yourself according to a concept
is the same with you and with him. You both demand from
others, that they adhere to your ideals of communication.
You both break limits and neglect the interests of others
for the sake of your ideas and artificial little dramas.
First become healed yourself, before you go and transmit your
illness in the form of twisted, deeply conditioned and manipulated
ideas about freedom onto as many people as you can reach.
I repeat: your conditioning, thinking and feeling is occupied with freedom
of expression. But that indicates rather an inner deficiency than a surplus.
Ka
FROM PIECES TO PEACE IN 2 MILLISECONDS.
--- Noby tortuted his computer by wrinting:
> [about `Wounds of writing, writing of wounds…']
> That's true! More: That's a teaching truth!
What would be really 'more' would be the inverted statement.
Better a true learner than a teaching truth.
> Therefore my full hearted recommendation: Join Michael's group nopath
Please stop that in public.
> Michael put his moderator ban on me with my very first letter.
You did that yourself - I simply followed suite.
> Michael wrote his truth one year ago about our friend Sarlo.
> But Michael didn't like his quote posted by me.
Taking material from a group without the consent of each member
and Moderator of that group is against the Yahoo guidelines.
We are guests here and not conquerors.
> Asking my Inner G*D she simply smiles from my honest open heart
about Michael. Michael and Mimamai have a comfortable place in my
heart, whatever they do. There is no way to argue with a teacher of
your heart, you simply follow. That's the way to make my life more
comfortable. That's the way to make me feel home in myself.
Ah! Finally your are getting old, too!
> Michael suffers like a dog helpless to heal anyone the way,
That's my neurosis.
> Michael has grown out of his EGO superior sickness
Grown out of my trousers is fact.
> imagination and coming down to his senses, down to earth.
A lonely place to be down on earth. why don't you join in?
A good start in my opinion would be to reduce that dramatic
advertising you are so fond of, my dear drama queen.
> Can't flowering deficiencies spread a warm breeze of love! too?
If love is felt, EVERTHING spreads it and ANYWHERE it is.
Except of cause in the USA - they are too busy chosing
their next war president. ;)
OZAY FOR PRESIDENT!!!!
- WHITE HOUSE TRAINEES NEED MORE ENLIGHTENMENT!
AND COLD MOON DUCK FOR SECRETARY OF STATE!!
- CONDI RICE IS MUCH TOO FEMALE, BEAUTIFUL AND SOFT!
IRAQI SUICIDE BOMBERS DREAM ABOUT A LIFE IN HEAVEN WITH CONDI
RICE, THAT'S WHY THEY OFTEN EVEN DON'T NEED SEMTEX TO EXPLODE.
COLD MOON DUCK WILL GIVE THEM A BETTER IDEA WHAT TO EXPECT
FROM A VIRGIN, NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT 40 OF HER SIZE.
PEACE, PEACE, PEACE. FROM PIECES TO PEACE IN 2 MILLISECONDS.
[SPAM] Re: Wee
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel O' Hanlon" <soundlogic@...> wrote:
>
> SO!
> i keep OBSERVING..
> but there IS
> NOTHING to SEE!!
Pit up a foto of yourself, then at least we have something
to see (and laught about).
Re: With Wonders of Writing...
-- N0by wtote:
> It maybe against the Yahoo-Group rules to quote a message from
someone here in our group. And when there will be the punishment for
my trespassing of the yahoo rules, and our group gathering will be
closed for this rule violation, so this mail will be my last Good Bye
for ever online here.
Drama-queer.
> [pictures of the masters, which are advertised by Eric on his List]
> http://www.n0by.de/2/a2z/Saints/index.htm
Medical doctors and spiritual gurus have two common aspects:
a)
They love to wear white and play God.
b)
They are only dangerous, when they come alone. But whith larger
numbers of them one can always find inconsistencies in what they
all say.
This strategy is called: "creating safety thru ineffecency" -
public administrations function very well on that principle, too.
hey
Little story to hang onto your Christmas tree.
--- Eric once met Ozay's dildo in N0by's junk yard
--- and thus spoke:
> lose the caffeine and other strong substances after 3pm bb.
Strongest substance I know is Life.
Why not tell him to get rid of that?
There once was this clever seeker, who made a pact with Devil.
Devil would give him eternal life and in exchange take away all
the seekers addictions - one per day.
The seeker was sure to make a phantastic deal, a total win-win
situation for him: eternal life and finally getting enlightenment
in return, WHOW! GOD BLESS THE DEVIL!
The seeker signed the contract with three drops of his body fluids
(for divine DNA certification). Then Devil took away his addiction
to breath....
just
kidding
and
defending
my
own
coffee-
addiction.
But, if the story was true, what was the seeker's name?
Kabira Magica, the magic projector of pictures and stories.
The essence of propaganda is deadheartedness.
--- Ozay's dildo fragments sputtered:
> OH YEAH?
> HEY! HOW' Y''DOIN,RIGHT?
> HEY IF YOU THOUGHT THAT WAS COOL THEN CHECK THIS OUT, MONKEYBOY!
>
>
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6739227220487922409&hl=en
So what's the difference between people who exercise their power
ruthlessly
in want to control movies and news and those who exercise words
ruthlessly
to get more power?
They both claim they have a copyright to FREEDOM, PEACE AND RELIGION.
Either one speaks and writes from his heart or from his mouth.
Dildo, you do not need to give links to people speaking from
their minds and mouths only -- you are yourself ample proof
that this species is still in existence.
The USA and their citizens are the modern role model for
Mr. Big Mouth Shrunk-Heart. Only the people listening to them,
reading and viewing their propaganda are more stupid than the
US-politicians and -people themselves. Same holds true for N0bys
internet toilet.
The US have sacrificed their hearts and decided to canonize their
weapons. Killing 11 million red Indians and up to 200 million Bisons
-- what can you expect from such people? FREEDOM, PEACE AND
RELIGIOUS INSIGHTS? When they speak about the costs of war,
they mean dollars, not lives. When they exchange in this list, they
maximize the number of their post and not the quality of their content.
And it doesn't matter what passport you have to be an US-citizen
-- only your mouth and weaponry count.
Happy New Mind
Re: The essence of propaganda is deadheartedness.
Each mind want to create balance,
by including other and/or opposite
arguments. But this is neither creating
balance nor freedom from the mind and
it's conditioning.
--- Beloved Knick Knack Paddy Whack counted to one and wrote:
> do u think the arabs and europeans & asians have a better
> track record???
No. But perhaps you are the expert to answer the questions:
Whose bombs are deadlier - Irish or Iraqui?
And whose religion is the better man-killer - Catolic or Protestant?
> what about the spanish conquest of the AMERICAS??
> what about the english conquest of asia?
> who started smuggling the opium druggs to china?
> who practiced untouchability among its people??
> neither chengiz khan nor hitler were americans !!
> nor were stalin and mao?
I'm not thinking within these straightjacket-concepts.
I've enough to do with presumably living people.
Are you?
> and this very internet where you connect to people is the product
> of cold war - sponsered by stalin and whome so ever from usa!!!
And it's increase in bandwidth since 1970 is the result of the
porn industry, so PLEASE show some photos of yourself, Beloved.
> Life is much more simple and easy than you can think of because
> Life is much more complex and complicated than you can think of
At least the bondage between UK (including Ireland?) and the USA
seems well intact. Do you love to exchange torture videos with
each other or is that just a function of the common language,
which has such a broad history of conquering by force, as can
be seen by the highest number of foreign words any language
of the world has every included in it's thesaurus?
Or is it just because you are both so ugly -- British- and Irish-
on the outside and US-citizens on the inside?
> love
> paddy
No, thanks,
Ka
fate or future
--- Beloved Paddy wrote:
> welcome to the ill fated plannet called EARTH ....
It's not fate or earth which is ill.
We are just looking at the consequences from our ego-activities.
And what you don't seem to understand, BP, is how the flow of
existence (call it Tao or Allah or whatever your conditioned
preference for words may be), well this flow is already preparing
for an healing treatment. Many seers have told us for decades,
what is likely to happen - have you not listened?
During the last 10 years or so, the global situation was set up
in such a way, that emotionlizing conflicts where growing.
Now lately, the conflicts are escalating and becoming more and more
physical.
And so on and on and on...
Finally all those souls, who have not managed to learn from this
global encounter will have to leave earth to get cleansed on the
higher levels of existence. Estimates are, that about 90% to 95%
have to go. And the remaining, more grown-up souls will start the
new era.
In other words:
It is God's will, that the Jihadists get atomic weapons.
You think, you can prevent that with some words in the N0by list?
Come on, that's just your ego playing guitar on your nerves.
Simply relax and prepare to leave.
In'sh Allah!
Re: fate or future
--- Eric wrote:
> The Jehovah Witnesses are famous since the 1870s for their predictions
> postponed to an ulterior deadline every time a deadline expires.
You compsre predictions based on a book older than 2000 years
with insights of living, aware people. This is like comparing
books with experiences. But, of course, if you have never
experienced spontanuous insights, memory-deductions is all
you can think of. But that doesn't mean, that pther people
cannot have different experiences -- it only means, that you
cannot understand them properly and probably.
> if you google:
> failed predictions
> you get some interesting sites and various collectors of missed
> rendezvous of prophecies:
> http://www.answers.com/topic/famous-predictions
I don't need to google to tell how the weather is
at the moment -- I just look out of the window.
Re: fate or future / mule or muture (word joke on male or mature, Eric)
--- hans wrote:
> -hello Michael,
Hello Hans,
> Nothing new under the sun.
> Don't you know that most seers just see there own fears?
You needed 3 (three) postings to tell me that terrific statements?
Perhaps you hang out too long in Ozay's aura here in n0by-land.
He is usually also needing more than one posting to defend his
MASTER-MIND.
I think the main fear is your ego's fear, which SIMPLY CANNOT
EVEN THINK ABOUT ITS OWN EXTINCTION.
Nothing new?
Your mind is boringly unadventurious.
"seeing" fear?
You have no experience about the feeling happening when "seeing".
Otherwise you would rather talk about Love or Agape than about fear.
The fear is your's, Hans. You hide your stubborn mind (very
intelligently) by hanging around in n0by-land (read: in company
of even more stubborn minds) and playing the jester there.
In N0by list the ability to read
is equivalent to enlightenment.
Re: fate or future
--- Jeeva wrote:
> > I don't need to google to tell how the weather is
> > at the moment -- I just look out of the window.
>
> I can understand the context in which
> you are saying this.
>
> Yet..will you tell the weather conditions
> in chennai , delhi , tokyo just by looking
> out from your window in your place.For that
> google is one of the options
Understanding? No, you do not understand me.
Even knowing - for example the location of the best
restaurant in Delhi - is much less than going into
my little kitchen and getting myself a slice of bread,
some cheese and a tomatoe.
<munch>
First comes experience, then comes understanding.
Indians have lulled themselves into understanding all kinds
of religious, mystic, esotheric, transcendential, non-dual
traditions. But they don't dare any longer to go and check
out any non-traditional path. Yet the real, existing life is
always non-traditional. Always. Alllllllllllllways.
Outside it's misty with temperature around zero Celcius, I guess.
Re: fate or future
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Paroissien" <ericparoissien@...> wrote:
> Some people have a good sense of how bad the world is turning and also
> we have to take into account the dumbness and stubbornness of those
> communities in some parts of history who "had it coming" for years and
> had seen all the predictive signs but chose to ignore them or were to
> stuck to their little nest, even uncomfortable as it was growing.
No. You don't respect the qualitative shift, which is occuring.
Re: fate or future
--- hans wrote:
> To be exact:
> Google:
> Weather for Munich, Germany
>
> 2°C
> Rain
> Wind: SW at 8 km/h
> Humidity: 93%
>
>
> :-)
BUT HOW WAS THE TOMATOE?
You certainly know the story of the Zen-disciple who came to visit
the master and was asked "did you put the umbrella to the left or
to the right of your shoes?"
I like to makeup fresh stories.
So please tell me:
What's the temperature of the freshwater on your boat,
according to Google?
Re: fate or future
--- hans wrote:
> Hang on, before I go on with my coffee, I will drink a glass
> of the fresh water on my boat.
> Aaaah, that was delicious.
So, now that we seem to have both reached this planet in this time
of the year 2007 aD.
If you sit in a car and see a truck approaching at high speed on the
same side of the road while the driver is looking out at the other
side to watch a nice girl crossing the street, would you tell the
driver "Automobile crashes are such a great selling gimmick." ?
I mean: all in all nobody can predict the future, hence perhaps
the truck may as well just hit an intergalactic wormhole 3 yards
in front of your nose, may it not ?
The problem is, for such situations your mind is programmed by
evolution -- distances, times and speeds are well within the
framework of it's simulative picture of the world. Forcasting
is automatic.
But if you enlarge the situation -- instead of a car, take a big
ocean liner (name it Titanic, if you want), enlarge the distances
to some nautical miles and it's reaction time to tenth of minutes.
Now you have to be more aware, because the automatic of your brain
programming is already streteched to it's limits. You will even
have to ask others (i.e. the steersman at the radar) to give you
a picture of the situation. Yet even then, as you have no sense
the pain of the ship, you might decide not to close the ship's
bulkheads, because you have the fixed idea, that the ship is
unsinkable.
No enlarge the situation even further. Distances go up to 20000 km
in space and tenth of years in time, and that a radar exists at all
was never told to you in school or during your professional training.
Only old, rarely read scriptures talk about radar-connections - not
seldom in cryptic languages and words, because during the last some
hundreds of years, people speaking about radar have often been used
to enlighten the marketplace with a nice bonfire.
To make a long story a little longer:
I'm not going to pretend that there is no radar (howsoever bad
my personal vision may be), just because you feel like pissing
at my trousers, whenever I say "there is something on the screen".
I will simply stop molesting you.
What else to do? Have you not observed, that many spiritual
teacher are more and more becoming silent lately? Time for
introductory teaching is coming to an end.
But of course, that's only on my radar screen - the great selling
gimmick with all the blinking lights and a price tag, nobody is
ready to pay - nearly nobody, to be exact.
Have a nice day
Re: fate or future / mule or muture (word joke on male or mature, Eric)
--- hans wrote:
> Only a very few seeers see.
As if you knew all seekers and can see
whether they can see. But if you could,
the whole discussion would never have
started by you.
Your whole posting is of that quality
and negative energy towards "seeing".
Knowing everything and denying even more
-- with a nice, colored sugar-coating of jokes
plus a good portion of shooting off your mouth.
NEW! FREE! - suggested read - important! A must read!
--- Eric wrote [to Hans]:
> Michael goes all mid-evil on you just because you emit this or that
> opinion, but by experience it is better to address only what people
> believe about themselves, not prove them wrong, which is impossible.
It's useless to try to change one opinion for the other,
but it is not impossible to accept that I am wrong.
Actually it's my experience, that before
somebody is not ready to accept, that he is wrong,
his spiritual adolescence has not yet begun.
Telling people what they want to hear about themselves
functions only in an environment like the Asram in Pune
while Osho was still alife. Because there the flattering
acted like a pair of handcuffs to keep the disciples as long
and es intensely as possible glued to the direct influence of
the energy and setup of the Ashram, and the indirect reductions
of the ego (read: strengthening of the energy) was more
effective than the ego-strengthening needed to keep them
there. Outside an Ashram Energy field, an overall ego
feeding would rather be the result.
Such an ego feeding also has it's effects (as can be seen
in the spiritual circus at large) - but that's already done
for decades by now. This phase is coming to an end. To prolong
the mutual opinion acknowledging any longer is not leading
anywhere than back into the pampers.
The statement says something about how Eric
would like to be treated, I suppose.
Eric, I think, you identify too much with opinions.
Opinions are like politicians and priests -
powerless, but for the power we are giving to them.
Just look at the Muslims - how easily they can be
insulted and manipulated with opinions.
Kabir
Re: Non Traditional Methods / Ka
--- celticmoondance wrote:
>
> I would add that Osho broke the tradition and had no master.
Sure he had one. His Inner Master.
You just cannot see it,
because you refuse to bow down
to your own Inner Master
and prefer to continue
your power trips instead.
Osho said about himself, that his whole life he
was always following the still Small Voice within.
That's his favourite expression for the Inner Master.
> He had people "following" him who took him as a master.
> How ironic.
Stuck people. Stuck Moon Dump mocking about stuck Sannyasins.
THAT's ironic!
As I understand Osho he said:
A master can only lead you to your Inner Master.
When you have reached your Inner Master the
job of the outer master is done.
Then your Inner Master will lead you to yourself.
to which I add:
... or to meditation
... or to whichever you are made for
Re: Non Traditional Methods / Ka
--- In n0by@yahoogroups.com, "celticmoondance" <celticmoondance@...>
wrote:
>
> It is written no man can serve two masters. Ka are you going to drop
> your young master (according to Noby you have a younger master, or
> rather a younger master has you)?
Why not speak with N0by then?
As you do not seem to read what I write or do not seem to take
for face value what I write and are instead enjoying to play
with gossip or memory of gossip or your ideas about who is
who etc. etc. etc. ...
Just spit out the vermon you have as much as you can --
that's my advice for you. But do it with more awareness.
Your Buddha enjoys it, I bet. N0by-list is the best place
for that. And regarding me, you have my blessings to write
any truths or lies about me.
Really
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